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Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« on: Monday 29 June 20 00:43 BST (UK) »
Good Morning,
Ellen McComb born 10 October 1844, Tandragee Parish.  Father Joseph, Mother Elizabeth.
Mother Elizabeth/Eliza Ross - married Joseph 5 October 1843.
Is anyone able to shed any light please on Ellen's family please?  Ellen is my 2x Great Grandmother who left and travelled to Australia, marrying my 2x Great Grandfather here in Victoria. 
Would love to know the parents of Joseph and Elizabeth/Eliza and what happened to them?
Thanks so much.

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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 10:08 BST (UK) »
Where did you find the marriage and birth dates?
What religious denomination were the family?
I don't see a Civil parish of that name but there is one called Mullaghbrack and another called Ballymore
Also I don't see a COI parish called Tandragee but again there is a Mullaghbrack and Ballymore.
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
It is also a variant name for the RC parish of Ballymore and Mullabrack
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0192


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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 November 20 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

There is a Joseph McComb in the 1901 census in Market Street, Tandragee aged 64 years but not sure if this is the right one as the Rose Ann (born 26 Aug 1865) in the census's mother is Rose Ann (formerly Loy).

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tandragee_Urban/Market_Street/1021338/

As for the parish, the COI church in Tandragee is also known as Ballymore Parish Church.


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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 09:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Did Ellen have any sisters?

irishgenealogy.ie has the 1866 Presbyterian marriage of a Margaret McComb (dau of Joseph McComb)
in Portadown.  Tandragee and Portadown are both in Armagh and only 5 miles apart.  See:-

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11548/8247801.pdf

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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 November 20 10:13 GMT (UK) »

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....there is one called Mullaghbrack and another called Ballymore

Civil Parish of Mullaghbrack (ONeilland West portion)
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/mullaghbrack-oneilland-west-portion/

Civil Parish of Ballymore
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/ballymore/

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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 November 20 17:15 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, but Margaret McComb is not a sister.  Her sister Mary (McComb) Martin put a gravestone at Warington saying John and Catherine of Waringston were parents, though Margaret says William (probably her brother) is her father when she married 1866.

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Re: Ellen McComb, Tandragee, Armagh
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 December 20 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jessies mumYou are lucky to have those dates for the marriage and birth of Ellen. Are there any other traditions or oral tales around? did they come from a family bible ?  Do you know when she arrived in Australia? I tried unsuccessfully for marriage https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-australia-and-new-zealand-records-in-birth-marriage-without success
I tried https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/birth-and-baptism-records-county-antrim-and-county-down/?search  and knowing its strength is Co Antrim and Co Down was surprised to find
ELLEN   MCCOMB   birth /baptism 1839   father MATTHEW in Co Armagh who might be a relative you would need to buy credits for details   keep for later as these details conflict with yours meaning there are or could be at least two Ellen McComb which makes one wary of assumptions.
I moved to the 1863 Griffiths Valuation for Ireland index for an Ellen McComb  an unusual woman of the time who is not a widow but has a homestead.. The homestead is not listed inside Tandragree town within Ballymore civil parish but just outside in the remaining area of  Ballymore townland  inside the civil parish of Ballymore.  An excellent website that takes time and patience to use is http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml? using its index to her, then looking up detail its dated 1863
her house Map ref No 46b appears to be the middle of three houses.  It can be made out on the map as follows:- The Portadown road [now the A27] runs from the north and intersects wth the Armagh Road running from the west just north of the Tandragree town boundary [the area north of the Armagh road is outside the tandragee town boundary. there is a group of 3 houses on the west side of the Portadown road as it runs into the intersection . Her house No 46b appears to be visible the 2nd house from the junction on so about 20 metres from the intersection.  On a current satellite view its marked No 2 Portadown Road Tandragee  and is a small white pebbledash house it could be the original or rebuilt.  the $6a most northern of the three appears to have vanished. There is also a street view alterable taken in recent times.  Further information in Griffiths shows Ellen McComb   has a house valued at 1 15shillings pa which should be traceable after 1863 when she moves see PRONI website then find valuation continuation books The entry is in PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/11/5A (1863 - 1874) page n 67 or digital page 71 of 123 findable in
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books Yes changed in 1867 cant read the new occupier [did wonder could she have married and he moved into her house before they emigrated. so large magnification needed}and then further changed in1872 to William Kennedy,  so look for emigration record 1867 onwards see below. 
My thoughts are she must have inherited the house before 1863 when it was printed she would have been 17 years old , was that possible? what age must an occupier be?
Her Landlord was the Duke of Manchester. Check does his estate papers exist before1863?
Her being occupier also suggests her parents died before 1863 Did she have a brother Joseph
her emigration I tried https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration   for Ellen M and E. McComb and McCombe without success , have you got her arriving?

~Griffiths Valuation also has under Ballymore Parish
McCombe, James L: Ballymore T: Tanderagee - Preaching House L.
McCombe, James L: Ballymore T: Tandragee - Mill St
McCombe, Robert L: Ballymore T: Tandragee - Mill St
McComb, James L: Carrickbrack
McComb, Matthew L: Carrickbrack
McComb, Moses L: Carrickbrack
McComb, John L: Drummond
McComb, Matthew L: Lisnagree
McComb, James L: Skegatilida
Ross none but my memory thinks I saw one on same page as Ellen p 67

Going backwards in time to  a single line record called the Tithe Applotment Book 1823-1838 see the Irish Genealogy Hub website under Ballymore
McComb, James - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, James, Sr. - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, John - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, Mathew - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, Samuel - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, William - Townland : Carrickbrack Year : 1830
McComb, David - Townland : Lisbane Year : 1830
McComb, Jane - Townland : Lisbane Year : 1830
McComb, James - Townland : Lisnagree Year : 1830
McComb, Mathew - Townland : Lisnagree Year : 1830

could these be connected   in http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/armagh/tithe-applotments/lisnadill-parish.php
McCone, Michl. - Townland: Armaghbreague Year: 1832
McCone, Anthony - Townland: Fernamuckla Year: 1832
McCone, Bernard - Townland: Fernamuckla Year: 1832
McCone, Charles - Townland: Fernamuckla Year: 1832
McCone, John - Townland: Fernamuckla Year: 1832
Ross, Hugh - Townland: Killafaddy Year: 1832
Ross, Hugh - Townland: Letmacollum Year: 1832
I am confused with boundaries even names of parishes and townlands before  Griffiths valuation survey was carried out, in  with the greater area around Tandragee.
I stop hoping I have found something for you
Good luck onwards
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