Margaret Mary Cronin

[heywood]

The Joseph Cronin in those trees has that date of death.
It is supported by the page from Ireland, Casualties of World War I, 1914-1922 on Ancestry.
Joseph Cronin
Regiment:   Royal Munster Fusiliers
Regimental Number:   5711
Death :21 Dec 1914
Death Place: France
Birth Place: Limerick, Ireland

Is that what you have? Is that a family source?

This is that man from CWGC site
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1559639/JOSEPH%20CRONIN/

His mother is Mary Cronin, 7 Francis Street Limerick

Added: 1911 census - the likely family of Joseph

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__3_Urban/Francis_Street/628591/

[jonw65]

Eldest son, Joseph Ignatius born 12th July 1895.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02199/1831376.pdf

Did Cornelius have a second initial on Joseph's birth registration?

Possible death of Joseph?
Dec 1983 Rugby vol 31 page 292
Cronin, Joseph
d-o-b 12 July 1895

[heywood]

That looks interesting Jon.

[jonw65]

Hi
It might be the right Joseph perhaps? Have found nothing else at all! An elusive lot
John

[heywood]

No I can’t see other Cronins in Rugby or Joseph in 1939.

[heywood]

I know from family still living that she was born at Barrington Street but no further info was forth coming Except that she went into convent but this may just be a convent school.

If something happened to the family and the children were sent to industrial schools or the workhouse, they might be on the census by initials only.
If that were the case though, it seems odd that there was a grandmother and aunts living in a sizeable house who maybe could have taken the children. 

[jayb2]

Hi I don’t have any family information on Joseph Ignatius other than the 1901 census. His father was Cornelius Francis Cronin and mother was Elizabeth Cronin nee Tarpey So it was a bad assumption on my part that he died Limerick 1918. Both Margaret Mary and Michael Francis lived in Liverpool and in Margaret Marys case finished up in Southport but apart from her first two children who were born in South Shields the rest of her family were born Toxteth park or west Derby. Michael Francis lived in Liverpool certainly from his marriage to Elsie Grant and until he died in 1973 and in the same house.I have a photograph taken at one of Margaret Marys children’s 60th and both my brother in laws mother and Michael Francis or on it. So I’m pretty sure it’s the correct family.
Jay

[heywood]

There doesn’t seem to be a Cornelius Cronin, shopkeeper in 1901 or 1911 of the age to be Cornelius’ father. I have looked for Grocer too. Have you found any more records?
Cornelius snr was alive in 1894. I have looked at a few deaths 1894 - 1901 but none fit the occupation.
It is so frustrating that they seem to disappear. I have had a look at US immigration perhaps  but can’t see anything.
Whilst it does seem to be the correct family with names and years of birth, it would be best to confirm with proven records - the marriages of Margaret and her brother Michael.
You say family have confirmed that Margaret Mary was born in Barrington Street, was that from online records are family knowledge passed on.

[jayb2]

The address was from a very elderly aunt that Barrington Street was where Margaret Mary was born said to my brother in law whose family it is And she said That Margaret Mary went into a convent But as I previously said she may have meant she went to a convent school being Roman Catholic
Jay