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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 13:19 BST (UK) »
you can request a search of the 1939 register for a closed record but there is possibly a fee via the National Archives. Not sure what the cost is via FindMyPast

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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 13:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you Debra for the 1911 census information for Hugh T and Lydia Williams - Denbighshire  eh?
I wonder if they had any children?

The 1911 gives the number of children that a married woman has had.  You would need to look at the original as we are not allowed to give that info from the census, but that is why I said that Edna may have been adopted.

Debra  :)

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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 13:26 BST (UK) »
If you have a FindMyPast sub they will open the record on production of the death certificate but you would have to give the address they are living at.   It does look as though the blacked out records are of the infants as one is open and has a 1939 birth date.
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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 20:41 BST (UK) »
amondg, re  Edna Williams registered Toxeth Park March quarter 1915 mmn Crawford with parents
William Edward Williams and Ellen Crawford, she married Ronald Malcolm Batty in 1947. There are a few trees on Ancestry.com researching this family.
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Batty    Ronald M    Williams    Liverpool S.    10d   725
Williams    Edna    Batty    Liverpool S.    10d   725

Our Edna never married as far as we can ascertain - she was still single in the 1970's when Terry made enquiries at social services - my mother in law verifies this also. It is possible of course that she married late in life.

Thanks again
margaret

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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 20:49 BST (UK) »
you can request a search of the 1939 register for a closed record but there is possibly a fee via the National Archives. Not sure what the cost is via FindMyPast

Thanks lancsann, I'll look into FindMyPast.

margaret :D
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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 20:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you Debra for the 1911 census information for Hugh T and Lydia Williams - Denbighshire  eh?
I wonder if they had any children?

The 1911 gives the number of children that a married woman has had.  You would need to look at the original as we are not allowed to give that info from the census, but that is why I said that Edna may have been adopted.

Debra  :)

I think I can safely guess that they didn't have any children - I'll try to view the original to confirm this. Thank you again Debra.

margaret
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CAREY/France/Kent/NZ 
CARMICHAEL/GRAHAM/CRAMB/STEWART/Perth
CLOUGH/Lancs/Yorks/NSW
CORNWELL/Kent/NSW 
EATON/Lon/NSW    
MALYON/Mdx  
MATTHEWS/Lon/Sry/Oxf/Glouc/NSW
McLEOD/THOMSON/E Lothian
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TUCK/HART/Mdx/Esx
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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 21:03 BST (UK) »
If you have a FindMyPast sub they will open the record on production of the death certificate but you would have to give the address they are living at.   It does look as though the blacked out records are of the infants as one is open and has a 1939 birth date.

I definitely think it worthwhile to subscribe to FindMyPast - even if baby Terry isn't there at least I will be able to benefit from being a member re my genealogy research.  8)

Much appreciated rosie99.

margaret
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CAREY/France/Kent/NZ 
CARMICHAEL/GRAHAM/CRAMB/STEWART/Perth
CLOUGH/Lancs/Yorks/NSW
CORNWELL/Kent/NSW 
EATON/Lon/NSW    
MALYON/Mdx  
MATTHEWS/Lon/Sry/Oxf/Glouc/NSW
McLEOD/THOMSON/E Lothian
QUINN/Kilkenny
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VICCARS/ Lond/Northamps/Hunts
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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 22:21 BST (UK) »
amondg, re  Edna Williams registered Toxeth Park March quarter 1915 mmn Crawford with parents
William Edward Williams and Ellen Crawford, she married Ronald Malcolm Batty in 1947. There are a few trees on Ancestry.com researching this family.
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Batty    Ronald M    Williams    Liverpool S.    10d   725
Williams    Edna    Batty    Liverpool S.    10d   725

Our Edna never married as far as we can ascertain - she was still single in the 1970's when Terry made enquiries at social services - my mother in law verifies this also. It is possible of course that she married late in life.

Thanks again
margaret

William & Ellen's Edna was b 1 Feb 1915, so doesn;t quite fit the potential 1939 entry

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Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 23:07 BST (UK) »
amondg, re  Edna Williams registered Toxeth Park March quarter 1915 mmn Crawford with parents
William Edward Williams and Ellen Crawford, she married Ronald Malcolm Batty in 1947. There are a few trees on Ancestry.com researching this family.
FreeBMD
Batty    Ronald M    Williams    Liverpool S.    10d   725
Williams    Edna    Batty    Liverpool S.    10d   725

Our Edna never married as far as we can ascertain - she was still single in the 1970's when Terry made enquiries at social services - my mother in law verifies this also. It is possible of course that she married late in life.

Thanks again
margaret

William & Ellen's Edna was b 1 Feb 1915, so doesn;t quite fit the potential 1939 entry

This is good - I can now eliminate William and Ellens' Edna - this 1939 entry is looking more and more  promising.
Thank you for posting Mabel Bagshawe.
margaret
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ARCHIBALD/ADAMS/BROWN/GORDON/WILSON/Midlothian
CADDY/COPPIN/GEDYE/GIDDEY/GIDDY/GROWDEN/KITT/OLIVER/THOMAS/Cornwall
CAREY/France/Kent/NZ 
CARMICHAEL/GRAHAM/CRAMB/STEWART/Perth
CLOUGH/Lancs/Yorks/NSW
CORNWELL/Kent/NSW 
EATON/Lon/NSW    
MALYON/Mdx  
MATTHEWS/Lon/Sry/Oxf/Glouc/NSW
McLEOD/THOMSON/E Lothian
QUINN/Kilkenny
TUCK/HART/Mdx/Esx
VICCARS/ Lond/Northamps/Hunts
WATSON/Down