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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 13:44 BST (UK) »
Again Thankyou.#Unfortunately we know nothing  about Leonie and the children,  and what happened to them.  Did they ever come to visit the extended family in England  who knows

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 02:13 BST (UK) »
Firmin Louis Joseph Mengeot born 16/03/1878 Farciennes, Belgium, married in Brussels 30 June 1906 to Camilla Eugenia Alina Maria Simon  (a Belgian Simon, she was born in Antwerp 18 July 1878, daughter of Camille Charles Leopold Simon born 1843 Bouillon, Belgium and Celina Sophia Maria Lair, born 1849 Brussels).  Firmin and Camilla had a daughter Yvonne Gabrielle Suzanne Mengeot born 29 November 1902 Namur, Namur, Belgium

On the 1931 Montreuil census (reply #13), Leonie Adolphine Houdret and Firmin Louis Joseph Mengeot both lived in the rue Parmentier n° 71, but in different households. 

On the 1936 Paris census,  Leonie Houdret lives in the rue d’Avron n° 144, “chef” (head) of the household, the only other member of the household is Firmin Mengeot, he is “A” of Leonie.  (A ? = ami ?)

Firmin Mengeot  was one of the witnesses on  Isabella Simon’s  marriage (x 1935)

Leonie Houdret still lived at rue d’Avron n° 144 when she died  (+1959)

Firmin Mengeot died at home rue d’Avron n° 144  + 27 March 1961   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ppx/
burial register  cimetière parisien de Pantin, Bobigny, Seine-Saint-Denis  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ppy/

So Leonie Houdret and Firmin Mengeot knew each other for a long time.  There’s some info on Ancestry for Firmin Louis Joseph Mengeot, Camille Eugenie Aline Marie Simon and Yvonne Gabrielle Suzanne Mengeot.  I don’t know exactly what (I don’t have a subscription), but maybe the person who put this online knows something about your Simon’s.
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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 08:18 BST (UK) »
Roger's decree of naturalisation
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k2029422p/f25.image

6th name in the left column


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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 15:15 BST (UK) »
thank you,  I have an ancestry membership, and found Firmin.  the documents (in french of course) were his marriage and his death..  But I have messaged IsabellaCaliri who manages the tree asking if she might have some  information.
So thank you again.
At this rate we well find Roger B L Simon  survived  beyong the 1950's...I am hoping that his name on his mothers burial record does not mean he is buried there , but that he is the one who organised the burial.....
Gilly
Any UK stuff I can help you with. As I say I have an Ancestry membership

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 30 July 20 13:02 BST (UK) »
Marguerite married a man called Gustave Gronemann,born in Budapest, she became french on the 30th August 1947.
Gustave Gronemann died 29 th may 1965 in Boulogne Billancourt, he was 58. Marguerite was the heiress. He was buried in Thiais then in 1971 the coffin was moved in the cemetery of ESCATALENS in the Tarn et Garonne department.

I did not find Marguerite's death , which may mean that she died before 1970 ("matchid" begins in 1970) or that she is still alive  (very old ).

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 30 July 20 13:05 BST (UK) »
https://gw.geneanet.org/cp06?lang=fr&p=margueritte&n=simon

Have a look . They had 2 children : Charles Roger and Isabelle Charlotte

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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 30 July 20 13:12 BST (UK) »
https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/client/mdh/engages_volontaires_etrangers/resus_rech.php

Gustave was a volunteer during WW2 , he was born 29 november 1905 in Budapest
Just type his name and first name


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Re: Finding family in France and Belgium
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 30 July 20 13:32 BST (UK) »
https://geneafrance.com/france/deces/?deces=3768991&annee=00

she may have been Marguerite's daughter  , very probable