Alfred Arthur Stammers

[Comberton]

I would like to find more information about Alfred Arthur Stammers and  his correct parents. What I have starts with his daughter Alice
Her birth certificate states Alice Stammers b 13th October 1880 14 Basing Road, Peckham
Parents  Alfred Arthur Stammers & Ann Amelia Stammers formerly Lever. Alfred was a painter.
1881 census
14 Basing Place, Peckham
Arthur Stammers 30 Painter Southwark           born 1851
Anna Stammers 28 Clerkenwell
John Stammers 7 Walworth
Arthur Stammers 6 Bermondsey
William Stammers 3 Walworth
Alice Stammers 1 Walworth

Marriage of Alfred & Ann
29th December 1872 Bethnal Green
Alfred Stammers full age bachelor bricklayer Bethnal Green
father John Thomas Stammers deceased
Ann Lever 20 spinster Bethnal Green Joseph Thomas Lever parchment maker
Witnesses were Eliza Lever & Frederick Penny, Ann's  sister and her future husband

Children of Alfred & Ann
John Joseph 1874-1968
Alfred Arthur 1876-1956
William 1878
Alice 1880
Henry 1882-1956 Registered 1883 Lewisham
I have not found any of the family on the 1891 Census

5th June 1891 Alice is admitted to Evelina hospital, address 35 Harris Street, Camberwell and  Alfred dies at that address 3rd October 1891 aged 46. Informant was Emma Lever, his mother in law of 20 Acorn Street, Camberwell. Both addresses checked on 1891 census.
From the children's marriages
Listed as Alfred Arthur Stammers and builder/ painter/ master bricklayer.
Last address from school record of William  9 Kirkland Road, Camberwell but 3 addresses 1883-85. Can't find Kirkland Road in 1891.
Not much to go on for his year or place of birth so any suggestions welcome.
Ancestry trees suggest he is the son of John Thomas Stammers & Elizabeth Chandler and there is a baptism for Alfred 1837 which could be him if he is their son but a big age difference and no proof.
This has been asked about in 2010/2011 by Teddy P but still unsolved.
Thank you for reading this and hope someone can help.

[AMBLY]

Hi

I've been looking, but coming up blank also.... I did find this, for what it's worth:  I believe this is son William, giving his step father's first name Charles as NoK (since his mother Annie Amelia Stammers remarried 1893 to Charles William Bradley.  There is only one William Stammers registered St Saviour 2 years either side of 1878, and that one is mms Lever).

Military Record 1897: William STAMMERS, 19, b Walworth, London , Occ: Miller
Joined at Berwick on Tweed 25/3/1897
Kings Own Scottish Borders
Still lives in 'father's house'
NoK Father Charles Stammers: 2 Dorton ST, Peckham
Died while in Service at Station 15/10/1903 of Enteric Fever

Interesting that when widow Annie Amelia remarried March 1893 her new husband is resident of 18 Harris Street. She was of 5 Pinnocks Tce , Edmund St. - did you ever find that address in 1891?

Cheers
Anne

[Comberton]

Thank you Ambly for looking  for Alfred and his family. Thank you also for the information about William, strangely indexed on FindMyPast as William Edward, now found it. A sad end. Regarding Pinnocks Terrace, No. 5 has 3 households in 1891 and 2 different ones in 1901 but no familiar names. Nothing of help found at Dorton Street either.
In 1911 Annie is in the London County Asylum and dies there 1921. I am not sure if she was there continuously. The home address on her death certificate is 65 Harris Street. It's likely Charles died later the same year in Camberwell. He was in the Camberwell Workhouse in 1911, not good endings for either of them. I have not found Annie or Charles in 1901. They are not in Harris Street in 1901. Will keep looking. Thanks again.

[hanes teulu]

There's an Arthur Stammer (no "s"), born Southwark, age 9 on the 1851 Census with a father first name John.

Census reference HO107  1558  304  8

Struggling to track any of this family after '51.

[Comberton]

The family in 1861 & 1871 but no Arthur
1861 as Hammer
piece 314 folio 189 page 19
1871
piece 597 folio 60 page 20

[Lily M]

The Alfred Stammers born 1837 isn’t with his family on the 1841 census.

There’s a death on England Select Deaths and Burials for an Alfred Stammers 16th March 1837 in Brixton.  Unfortunately, no age is given.

No joy with finding the one born 1851 though.

[Comberton]

Greater London Burial Index
Alfred Stammers
born 1836
buried 1837 no date given
Brixton St Matthews
age 7 months

[Lily M]

I don’t think there was a Kirkland Road in Camberwell, but there was a Kirkwood Road.  They’re not there in 1891 though.

They moved home so often, it’s not surprising that they occasionally forgot their address.

[Eyesee]

There's an Arthur Stammer (no "s"), born Southwark, age 9 on the 1851 Census with a father first name John.

Census reference HO107  1558  304  8

Struggling to track any of this family after '51.

Believe this was Arthur Noyes Stammers and his family ended up in Ontario in Canada.

If Arthur is a son of JT and Elizabeth she would have been in her 50s when he was born, which seems unlikely. Have you given any thought to the idea that perhaps he was a son of one of their daughters, and he used the name of his grandfather on the marriage certificate. There was an Arthur birth registered in 1851 or 1852 with MMN of Stammers, which would suggest an illegitimate birth.

Ian C