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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 23 July 20 15:46 BST (UK) »
Both death certs arrived for Beatrice & Henry, correct ID. I'll post both threads,as they lean on each other. Thank you again heywood for great work.

 BEATRICE
Reg Dist. STAINS, 1944 DEATHS sub dept.  STAINS, MIDDLESEX
Where & when 27 Feb 1948, “Thesrall”, London Rd, Stanwell, Stains , Middx. (attach handwritten)
Name: Beatrice Lilian  Hamblin. - Female 71yrs.
Rank/Prof:  of, 12, Fielding Rd, Chiswick W.4. wife of TAXI CAB DRIVER.Cause Stroke.
Informant: W. (Walter “Wally" Hamblin) in atten, Son. 50, Stains Rd, Houslow.
Reg date: 29 Feb 1944.  Signed off:-
HENRY
Reg Dist. WANDSWORTH, 1948 DEATHS sub dist. of Tooting, WANDSWORTH
Where & when: 11 May 1948, Tooting Bec Hospital.
Name: Henry Hamblin. - Male 75yrs.
Rank/Prof:  of 50, Stains Rd. Hounslow Middx.  TAXI CAB DRIVER.
Cause Cardio:  Informant. H. Hamblin. Son. 25 Springwell Road Heston Middx.  Reg date: 30 May 1948.




(12, Fielding rd was my childhood home. They lived with “us” around WW2 years, I being their youngest Grandson born much later..

I hope to identify Henry’s; H ? Hamblin informant, (3 brothers had H initial),

Plus, in who’s Home Beatrice died. Eldest son Henry G Hamblin is my best bet for both. I need to hear back from 2 cousins before commenting further.
Thank you all again. Richmond Parka.


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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 23 July 20 21:01 BST (UK) »
" Thesrall" I am reliably informed, on the other thread  was in fact "The Hall "a eufamistic name for the emergeny Hospital where Beatrice ended her days in Stains.

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #29 on: Friday 31 July 20 20:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks JohnP-bedford for these finds a month ago on the  prior thread, and Janan’s intuitive  comments of  possible adoption ,  coupled with my cousin repeating his father Horace’s,(Beatrice’s 3rd son),  account of  her  past.  living in a large house in town, then disowned with child, they assuming "her home" to be her parents.
 Contained on this Hamblin page includes details of both children’s deaths in 1880.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=339253.288

Seem’s plausible that Beatrice could have been  parked somewhere through her adolescence, officially/unofficially,  both my Cousin & Uncle Horace always the smartest person in the room, I’d never dismiss any comment they offered out of hand.

BLANCHE MABEL MADELINE EDITH TURNER. Birth Cert 1879
Reg dist. MARYLEBONE. Sub Dist. ALL SOULS. Middlesex.
Where when: O6/06/1879, 76 great Portland Street
Name: Blanche Mabel Madeline Edith.  Girl.
Name father. George Henry Turner
Name MN of mother: Emma Ellen Turner, formerly Reed.
Rank prof. father: House Decorator
Sig & res of inform: E E Turner Mother,76 Great Portland Street. Marylebone
When  Reg: 14/ 07/ 1879 (not 100% sure with Fourteenth)- Signed off.

CLARENCE HENRY THOMAS HARE TURNER. Birth Cert 1877
Reg dist. MARYLEBONE. Sub Dist. ALL SOULS. Middlesex.
Where when: 2, Upper Ogle Street
Name: Clarence Henry Thomas Hare.   Boy.
Name father. George Henry Turner
Name MN of mother: Emma Ellen Turner, formerly Reed.
Rank, prof. father: House Painter:
Sig & res of informant:  E E Turner Mother. 2, Upper Ogle Street Marylebone.
When  Reg: 22/08/1877 - Signed off.

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 01 August 20 09:13 BST (UK) »
It is a shame that both Blanche & Clarence died in 1880 so cannot be used to trace parents on 1881 census. Blanche died June 1880 age 0 & Clarence died Sept 1880 both in St.Pancras RD. Maybe the death index might reveal a more recent (to 1881) address of parents.   
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 01 August 20 14:23 BST (UK) »
Both death certs arrived for Beatrice & Henry, correct ID. I'll post both threads,as they lean on each other. Thank you again heywood for great work.

 BEATRICE
Reg Dist. STAINS, 1944 DEATHS sub dept.  STAINS, MIDDLESEX
Where & when 27 Feb 1948, “Thesrall”, London Rd, Stanwell, Stains , Middx. (attach handwritten)
Name: Beatrice Lilian  Hamblin. - Female 71yrs.
Rank/Prof:  of, 12, Fielding Rd, Chiswick W.4. wife of TAXI CAB DRIVER.Cause Stroke.
Informant: W. (Walter “Wally" Hamblin) in atten, Son. 50, Stains Rd, Houslow.
Reg date: 29 Feb 1944.  Signed off:-


Could I just add that it is Staines not Stains  ;).
Now called Staines upon Thames
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staines-upon-Thames
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 02 August 20 10:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks rosie99 nipping this error in the bud.
Stains! the typo from hell to both Staines residents & their estate agents alike.  ;D

A spelling conflict maybe exists in Hamblin thread entering early as  2008.
Beatrice & Henry's eldest son Henry George Hamblins wife Sophie Street.
Looking broadly on BMD for Henry & Beatrices "marriage", both inexpertly & despite myself, Henry jnr & Sophies  marriage index appeared:
 Hamblin Henry G   Streat Brentford 3a 356a.
I am poor judge to weigh what is/not relevent, but....

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Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 02 August 20 18:52 BST (UK) »
George Henry Turner age 22 and Emma Ellen Reed married in Biggleswade in Sept 1869.
On 1871 Census they are together at Langley Rd, Luton. George is 24, born Langford (1847), a baker and Emma is 18 born Biggleswade (1853), no children.
Back to 1861 in Langford is John Turner. blacksmith & wife Sarah plus family including George age 13. George is not with the family in 1851 but there is a 2 year old G H Turner, visitor to family named Hare, a baker, in nearby Henlow. George's father John Turner, blacksmith of Langford married a Sarah Hare on 24 June 1839 at St.Pancras church.
Meanwhile in 1861 in Shortmead Street, Biggleswade is Edith Reed, widow age 50, upholsterer with daughter Emma age 8 born Biggleswade. Back 10 years to 1851 at same address is Samuel Reed age 48, vetenary with wife Edith age 40 plus 6 children. Samuel died in Sept 1855 age 52.
Mother Edith was nee Taylor and is said to have married Samuel Reid at St.Georges Middlesex on 26 Sept 1831 (although I've not seen this anywhere). Samuel & Edith are on 1841 & 1851 censuses with their children who seem to have been baptised/married with Taylor in their names. There is a baptism at Biggleswade on 12 May 1811 of Edith, daughter of Samuel & Mary Taylor, saddler, born Feb 25th.
Regards John

Apologies to you all for not recognising your valuable inputs and not having got back earlier.
Queries to this post if i may (other queries to the other posts coming), as i really need to get my teeth around so much information and enter the facts on my Family Tree Maker PC program.

I have rewritten the vast information John has kindly posted but i need to place things so they appear clearer to me. Can they please be checked and confirmed?

George H. Turner, 22 & Emma E. Reed married in Biggleswade Sept. 1869.
1871 Census living together at Langley Rd, Luton, George, born 1847 in Langford, age 24 and Emma Ellen Reed was born 1853 is aged 18.

In 1861 there is a John Turner in Langford, a Blacksmith & his wife Sarah. Family (how many & names etc?) includes George aged 13.

In 1851 George for some reason is not with the family? Is it known why? The 1871 Census says he was born in 1847, therefore he would have only been 4 years old?

In 1851 'there is a 2 year old G H Turner, visitor to family named Hare, a baker, in nearby Henlow'.
Again going by the 1871 Census George would have been 4? What does it mean 'a visitor'?

So George H. Turner's father was John Turner, a Blacksmith of Langford. How is it known that John Turner was George's father, and a Blacksmith?

So on 24/06/1839 George Turner's father, John Turner married a Sarah Hare at St. Pancras Church Bedfordshire?

In 1861, in Shortmead St, Biggleswade is a Edith Reed, widow, age 50, an upholsterer, is with her daughter Emma, age 8, born in Biggleswade. So this would make Emma's birth year 1853 as per 1871 Census.

10 years earlier in 1851, same Shortmead St, is a Samuel Reed, age 48, a Vet with his wife Edith & 6 children. Samuel died Sept. 1855, age 52. Birth year would then be approx. 1803?

Edith Reed, nee Taylor apparently married Samuel Reid (or Reed?) at St. George's Middx, 26/09/1831.

1841 & 1851 Census both Edith and Samuel are listed with their children, whom apparently were baptised/married with Taylor in their names?

Lastly, John kindly tells us that on 12/05/1811 Edith is baptised in Biggleswade, daughter of Samuel & Mary Taylor, saddler, born Feb 25th, 1811.
Power - Waterford, Ireland
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford, Ireland
Hamblin - London
Turner - Luton

Mooney - Waterford, Ireland
Veale - Waterford, Ireland
Murphy - Waterford, Ireland
Phelan - Waterford, Ireland
Ferrissey - Waterford, Ireland
Brandon - Liverpool

Santos - Cadiz, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Beneroso - Province of Cadiz &/or Malaga, Spain

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #34 on: Monday 03 August 20 15:38 BST (UK) »
"In 1851 'there is a 2 year old G H Turner, visitor to family named Hare, a baker, in nearby Henlow'.
Again going by the 1871 Census George would have been 4? What does it mean 'a visitor'?"

That must be him. Hare is a family name. Didn't he have a daughter something Hare Turner who is with him in 1911? Haven't got time to check back at moment. Wouldn't worry about the age discrepancy, that was probably their best guess! Visitor would mean he was visiting on the night of the census.

Jan
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #35 on: Monday 03 August 20 17:35 BST (UK) »
In 1851 G.H. Turner age 2 born Langford was Visitor to, I think, his maternal grandmother's family headed by Ann Hare age 62 widow, baker & having 6 of her unmarried children still living there. Back 10 years to 1841 Ann Hare is age 50 a baker, nobody there of an age to be her husband, but she still had 7 children in the household. On Sarah Hare's marriage to John Turner on 24 June 1839 it says her father was Thomas Hare, dead.... a Thomas Hare was buried Henlow on 22 Apr 1839 aged 56. However cannot find marriage of Thomas Hare to Ann in around 1814-1815, based on ages of oldest children in the censuses.   

Meanwhile John & Sarah Turner who married in 1839 are in Langford on 1841 census with 1 year old son William. In 1851 they are still in Langford with 11 year old William, plus Thomas 5 & Elizabeth 9. On 1861 census in Langford, John & Sarah with George age 13, plus 6 other children.
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