Beatrice Lilian Turner

[Richmond Parka]

johnPbedford
“The George Henry Turner we know was a house painter as per 1891, 1901 & 1911 census, also in 1882-1884 when he was in Foley Street fathering 2 Pope children, and before that in Nov 1879 when he & wife Emma were in Charlotte Street as per Beds Archives record. We've not found him in 1881 census. Before that in 1871 in Luton he was a baker.”   


It is a shame that both Blanche & Clarence died in 1880 so cannot be used to trace parents on 1881 census. Blanche died June 1880 age 0 & Clarence died Sept 1880 both in St.Pancras RD. Maybe the death index might reveal a more recent (to 1881) address of parents.   

I'll leave this here.
Clarence Henry Thomas Turner death cert
Dist. Pancras. Sub. Tottenham Court. Middlesex
Where/When 27 August 1880, 68 Charlotte St.
Name: Clarence Henry Thomas Turner, Male 3
Rank prof: Son of George Henry Turner, Housepainter
Cause: Scarlet fever complications.
Informant: Mary Ann Jones. Present at death.
15, James St. Manchester Square,  St Marylebone. Reg. 31 Aug 1880
information Copyright crown property.

To save trawling. These entries from old thread where address occurs.
Janan
“I was a bit puzzled about the reference to a marriage, certainly can't find one. I've not found anything useful from Mrs Murray's address. 
In addition I still can't find Emma, George Henry or Beatrice in 1881.
This entry:    George Henry Turner of 68 Charlotte Street, Fitzroy Square, County of Middlesex, painter.    Emma Ellen Taylor Turner, his wife (mortgagors)
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110463475
is for 1879 but I haven't yet discovered who was at that address in 1881, will go and look.
Janan
Unfortunately although there are lots of people living at 68 Charlotte St in 1881 none of them are of any help in finding the Turners “
johnPbedford
“The George Henry Turner we know was a house painter as per 1891, 1901 & 1911 census, also in 1882-1884 when he was in Foley Street fathering 2 Pope children, and before that in Nov 1879 when he & wife Emma were in Charlotte Street as per Beds Archives record. We've not found him in 1881 census. Before that in 1871 in Luton he was a baker.”   


[heywood]

No clues from Mary Ann Jones sadly.

1881 144/10/11
15 James Street Marylebone

Joseph Jones 66 Yrs
Mary Ann Jones   56 yrs
Elizth. Jones 13 yrs
Mary Ann Cantrell 29 yrs

All born London

[Richmond Parka]

I'll leave this here.
Clarence Henry Thomas Turner death cert
Dist. Pancras. Sub. Tottenham Court. Middlesex
Where/When 27 August 1880, 68 Charlotte St.
Name: Clarence Henry Thomas Turner, Male 3
Rank prof: Son of George Henry Turner, Housepainter
Cause: Scarlet fever complications.
Informant: Mary Ann Jones. Present at death.
15, James St. Manchester Square,  St Marylebone. Reg. 31 Aug 1880
information Copyright crown property.
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I have the death cert. of 10 month old infant Blanche Mabel Madeleine Edith Turner, died 13/04/1880, unsuprisingly it contained nothing new from her 3 year old brother Clarence who died 6 months before. The informant again a M A Jones. 15 James St, Oxford St, Marylebone.

[Calpe 1704]

 Pretty sure Calpe turned this up when much less was known. I cannot recall it being tested further or discounted.
North London Collegigate School, remained at Camden St London NW1, between 1850-1930.  Her birth date would make our BLT 14 in 1886. UK's first charitable school opened specifically for girls.
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During the summer period it's so hard to get into depth, and with so much information from you all. A late thanks.

Not wanting to show my ignorance but from the cutting i posted some time ago of Beatrice, we see that she attended a charitable school: -
University of London Student Records 47594_B377767-00161.
Why would she have been sent to the North London Collegiate School? In attendance June 1886, aged 14.

[Calpe 1704]

I have come across this before.
FindMyPast has images for her admission to the N L Collegiate School in 1883/1884 at age 15/16
Beatrice Lilian Turner born 7 July 1867, father dead, guardian a physician
Previously at Royal Masonic School for Girls for 6 years
Guardian named as Edward Hart Vivian M.D. - address 17 Chepstow Villas, Bayswater
There is a BLT birth index Sept 1867 Ipswich RD mother maiden name Adams, 1871 census in Westgate, Ipswich is a 3 year old BLT, daughter of George Augustus Joseph Turner, an auctioneer, with wife Mary, & in household is his 83 year old mother in law Mary Adams. Father died 8th June 1875 at Ipswich.  In 1881 census is BLT age 13 born Ipswich, scholar at  Royal Masonic Institution For Girls, Battersea

Thanks for this. Sorry but I'm way behind on all the posts and sifting through them one by one.
Dare i say that this is not the same Beatrice Lilian Turner. We know 'our'  B.L.Turner's birth date was 07/09/1872, born Luton, Bedfordshire.

[heywood]

That Beatrice was discounted earlier.

[Calpe 1704]

Birth date is out but otherwise this looks like her and might explain the posh house and different background you mentioned on the old thread Richmond Parka?
Added - From that birth index that John has found it looks like this isn't her then. Edward H Vivian has a nephew Henry S Turner born Ipswich staying with him at Chepstow Villas in 1881

Thanks Janan for clearing that up

[Calpe 1704]

1881 29/65/74
The Vivians are at 17 Chepstow Villas. There is a nephew - Henry S Turner ,  22 yrs b Ipswich living with them.

Trying to clear up matters and go through as many posts as i can today.
If the Beatrice L.Turner that was named in post 11, then the guardian named as E.H. Vivien/Vivian in posts 11, 12, 13 & 14 do not also apply?

[johnP-bedford]

FindMyPast has images for her admission to the N L Collegiate School in 1883/1884 at age 15/16
Beatrice Lilian Turner born 7 July 1867, father dead, guardian a physician
Previously at Royal Masonic School for Girls for 6 years
Guardian named as Edward Hart Vivian M.D. - address 17 Chepstow Villas, Bayswater

There is a BLT birth index Sept 1867 Ipswich RD mother maiden name Adams
1871 census in Westgate, Ipswich is a 3 year old BLT, daughter of George Augustus Joseph Turner, an auctioneer, with wife Mary, & in household is his 83 year old mother in law Mary Adams. Father died 8th June 1875 at Ipswich. In 1881 census is BLT age 13 born Ipswich, scholar at  Royal Masonic Institution For Girls, Battersea

We have already said that this BLT is not the one you are looking for.....
Case closed...