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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 20:48 BST (UK) »
Based on kindly  effort invested in the former 20,000 + view thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=339253.306

I have ordered the wedding certificate:  George Henry Turner - Emma Ellen Reed
Year 1869.  Qtr: Sept     Dist: Biggleswade.  Vol: 3b  Page 569
This is snail mail ordered 05/07/2020, (my only option), so donít hold your breath.

I have ordered what hopefully proves to  be the main actor of this thread's birth cert.
I am fully aware Calpe has had this on order by post from April!! and has been chasing to no avail.
Its continued absence seems a major hinderance to progress.

Beatrice Lillian Turner. Year: 1872. Qtr.Sept.   Dist. Luton    Vol. 03b  Pg.452

Due to the understandable problems, likely to be ongoing  at the GRO.
This is a pdf upload order. Anothe recent  took 14 days to arrive in my inbox. Fingers crossed.
Thank you for your kind interest

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 13:38 BST (UK) »
What additional information apart from later census  for George & Emma is it that you are after
To help out Calpe and  to save duplication: George Henry has been located from 1891 onwards  living in Marylebone with new wife Jane. Emma and Beatrice are missing in 1881 and 1891. There are known addresses for around time of 1881 census and in 1891 but they aren't there on census night. Information is on the long Hamblin thread from page 26 onwards.
Pretty sure Calpe turned this up when much less was known. I cannot recall it being tested further or discounted.
North London Collegigate School, remained at Camden St London NW1, between 1850-1930.
 Her birth date would make our BLT 14 in 1886. UK's first charitable school opened specificly for girls.

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 13:58 BST (UK) »

North London Collegigate School, remained at Camden St London NW1, between 1850-1930.
 Her birth date would make our BLT 14 in 1886. UK's first charitable school opened specificly for girls.
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FindMyPast School Records
(Spotted this yesterday but discounted because of YoB)
North London Collegiate School
Turner Beatrice Lilian, app date - Aug 21st, age - 16, address  - 17 Chepstow Villas, Bayswater, parent/guardian - Ed. Hart Vivien MD (guardian), date of admission - 24 Jan 1884

Age at admission gives YoB 1868
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:00 BST (UK) »
I have come across this before.

FindMyPast has images for her admission to the N L Collegiate School in 1883/1884 at age 15/16
Beatrice Lilian Turner born 7 July 1867, father dead, guardian a physician
Previously at Royal Masonic School for Girls for 6 years
Guardian named as Edward Hart Vivian M.D. - address 17 Chepstow Villas, Bayswater

There is a BLT birth index Sept 1867 Ipswich RD mother maiden name Adams
1871 census in Westgate, Ipswich is a 3 year old BLT, daughter of George Augustus Joseph Turner, an auctioneer, with wife Mary, & in household is his 83 year old mother in law Mary Adams. Father died 8th June 1875 at Ipswich.   
In 1881 census is BLT age 13 born Ipswich, scholar at  Royal Masonic Institution For Girls, Battersea
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:13 BST (UK) »
Birth date is out but otherwise this looks like her and might explain the posh house and different background you mentioned on the old thread Richmond Parka?

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From that birth index that John has found it looks like this isn't her then. Edward H Vivian has a nephew Henry S Turner born Ipswich staying with him at Chepstow Villas in 1881
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:30 BST (UK) »
1881 29/65/74

The Vivians are at 17 Chepstow Villas.
There is a nephew - Henry S Turner ,  22 yrs b Ipswich living with them.
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:42 BST (UK) »
Birth date is out but otherwise this looks like her and might explain the posh house and different background you mentioned on the old thread Richmond Parka?

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From that birth index that John has found it looks like this isn't her then. Edward H Vivian has a nephew Henry S Turner born Ipswich staying with him at Chepstow Villas in 1881
Thanks for all info johnP-Bedford.
I think we can now seriously dicount this BLT, although Beatrice was an olypian childbearer, It would mean she she gave birth to my to my mother in 1916 aged 49.

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:45 BST (UK) »
There is a nephew - Henry S Turner ,  22 yrs b Ipswich living with them.

Henry S Turner is a son of George Augustus Joseph Turner & wife Mary, being age 2 on the 1861 census, therefore brother of this Beatrice
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Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #17 on: Friday 17 July 20 08:28 BST (UK) »
I'll leave this here for more qualified eyes.
More or less arrived as GRO predicted post. ETA.
This is posted to her lifelong partner Henry C Hamblins concurrent thread too

Entry of Marriage Certificate:  George Henry Turner - Emma Ellen Reed
No. 132
when Married.:
When married 02/10/1869.
Name & Surename: George Henry Turner - Emma Ellen Reed
Age. George Henry turner 22. bachelor
 Emma Ellen  Reed 17 yrs, spinster.

Rank of profession: George Henry, Baker.   Emma Ellen [-----]
Residence Time of marriage : G H Turner & E. E Reed. Both Biggleswade.
Father's name surname: John Turner......Profession, Blacksmith master.
Father's name surname: Samuel Reed....Profession: Veterinary Surgeon (Deceased)

Again thank you for your kind attention. I am not qualified to comment with this content.