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Offline Calpe 1704

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Beatrice Lilian Turner
« on: Saturday 11 July 20 17:44 BST (UK) »
With the end of the trail of who i thought was a Violet Mary Hamblin (nee Turner), my grandmother,  ended up being a Violet Mabel Ellen Turner.

The search now begins for her ancestors with your help.

Her mother Beatrice Lilian Turner, born in Luton (1872~).
Father unknown.

Power - Waterford, Ireland
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford, Ireland
Hamblin - London
Turner - Luton

Mooney - Waterford, Ireland
Veale - Waterford, Ireland
Murphy - Waterford, Ireland
Phelan - Waterford, Ireland
Ferrissey - Waterford, Ireland
Brandon - Liverpool

Santos - Cadiz, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Beneroso - Province of Cadiz &/or Malaga, Spain

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 July 20 17:50 BST (UK) »
I assume you have looked on the GRO index for her birth
Births Sep qtr 1872   
TURNER    Beatrice Lilian       Mothers maiden surname Reed
Luton    3b   452
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 July 20 20:46 BST (UK) »
35 page thread here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=339253.306

Presume you have looked on the 1881 census and now you have her mothers maiden name you can use freebmd to find their marriage

www.freebmd.org.uk
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 July 20 13:02 BST (UK) »
35 page thread here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=339253.306

Presume you have looked on the 1881 census and now you have her mothers maiden name you can use freebmd to find their marriage

www.freebmd.org.uk

Just to summarise in Calpe's absence, there is masses about Beatrice's likely parents George Henry and Emma Ellen Turner on the 35 page thread. None of them can be found in 1881 and Beatrice and Emma Ellen are nowhere to be seen in 1891.
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 July 20 15:11 BST (UK) »
Apologies for the rushed start to this new thread.
I'll post in next couple of days the information I hold on her.
Thanks
Power - Waterford, Ireland
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford, Ireland
Hamblin - London
Turner - Luton

Mooney - Waterford, Ireland
Veale - Waterford, Ireland
Murphy - Waterford, Ireland
Phelan - Waterford, Ireland
Ferrissey - Waterford, Ireland
Brandon - Liverpool

Santos - Cadiz, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Beneroso - Province of Cadiz &/or Malaga, Spain

Offline Calpe 1704

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Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 July 20 18:02 BST (UK) »
Firstly, please allow for any name references, persons etc. i might forget to mention, it is not my intention. Just trying to get my head around so much information coming forward. With thanks in advance.

Richmond Parks told us, his G.R.O. Certificate arrived and it confirmed this of the birth of Beatrice Lilian Turner's daughter and where they were living in 1891.

District: Pancras, London_
Daughter was born, 18 June 1891 at 12 Chesterfield St.
Name - Violet Mabel Ellen
Sadly the Name & Surname of father is Blank.
Mother's name - Beatrice Lillian Turner, who was formally a Barwoman.
When registered: 30 July 1891.


Turn back the time to a very interesting brief video of footage of London streetlife in 1890: -
https://metro.co.uk/2015/04/22/incredible-antique-film-footage-from-1890-reveals-the-changing-face-of-london-life-5161892/

So there we have it one Beatrice Lilian Turner. Born Sept 1872, in Luton.

johnP-bedford, tells us that in Beatrice's birth index it shows her mother's maiden name was Reed.
Also that there was a marriage in Biggleswade Rd in 1869 of a George Henry Turner to a Emma Ellen Reed.
In the 1871 Census they are together at Langley Rd, Luton.  George is 24, born Langford, a baker and Emma is 18 born Biggleswade, no children.
Power - Waterford, Ireland
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford, Ireland
Hamblin - London
Turner - Luton

Mooney - Waterford, Ireland
Veale - Waterford, Ireland
Murphy - Waterford, Ireland
Phelan - Waterford, Ireland
Ferrissey - Waterford, Ireland
Brandon - Liverpool

Santos - Cadiz, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Beneroso - Province of Cadiz &/or Malaga, Spain

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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 July 20 18:15 BST (UK) »
What additional information apart from later census  for George & Emma is it that you are after
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 09:05 BST (UK) »
George Henry Turner age 22 and Emma Ellen Reed married in Biggleswade in Sept 1869.
On 1871 Census they are together at Langley Rd, Luton. George is 24, born Langford (1847), a baker and Emma is 18 born Biggleswade (1853), no children.

Back to 1861 in Langford is John Turner. blacksmith & wife Sarah plus family including George age 13. George is not with the family in 1851 but there is a 2 year old G H Turner, visitor to family named Hare, a baker, in nearby Henlow. George's father John Turner, blacksmith of Langford married a Sarah Hare on 24 June 1839 at St.Pancras church.

Meanwhile in 1861 in Shortmead Street, Biggleswade is Edith Reed, widow age 50, upholsterer with daughter Emma age 8 born Biggleswade. Back 10 years to 1851 at same address is Samuel Reed age 48, vetenary with wife Edith age 40 plus 6 children. Samuel died in Sept 1855 age 52.

Mother Edith was nee Taylor and is said to have married Samuel Reid at St.Georges Middlesex on 26 Sept 1831 (although I've not seen this anywhere). Samuel & Edith are on 1841 & 1851 censuses with their children who seem to have been baptised/married with Taylor in their names. There is a baptism at Biggleswade on 12 May 1811 of Edith, daughter of Samuel & Mary Taylor, saddler, born Feb 25th.

Regards John
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Re: Beatrice Lilian Turner
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 11:12 BST (UK) »
What additional information apart from later census  for George & Emma is it that you are after
To help out Calpe and  to save duplication: George Henry has been located from 1891 onwards  living in Marylebone with new wife Jane. Emma and Beatrice are missing in 1881 and 1891. There are known addresses for around time of 1881 census and in 1891 but they aren't there on census night. Information is on the long Hamblin thread from page 26 onwards.
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge