Henry C. Hamblin

[Richmond Parka]

Excellent John thank you, real progress here for me, helpfully kicks my Walters Hamblin's  "Joy" theory  into touch.
 My sister just mailed me responding to,  who was this Alfreds widow J Hamblin? 
 A dim memory of a Josephine she could not place,  this would have been some years after Alfreds death, she  was accompanied by her partner. I cannot think of any other candidates. I received her mail pror to your post actualy naming them.

Your earlier post re. George Hamblin's probate & his benefactor of £600 so hepful, jogged a memory, Ellen Smith was apparently George Hamblin's sister Henry & Beatrice's third daughter.
I simply knew her as "Aunt Bubbles". A person who never settled down, having 1 son Max at a very early age in tow for life & Ellen Smith, had no known later long term partner. "Married" I venture may be debatable, probably Max's father. Anything about her will be way too muddy to persue. She was working in Australia for a while. She would appear & dissapear.
I located what I firmly believe to be her birth index. GRO.
  1912. Hamblin. Ellen. Turner. M Qtr   Fulham vol 01 A Pg 457.

Thank you again, this finally puts a surname to her adult life that has eluded my hearing for 60 odd years. I will try to find her death date, that event is very sketchy,  best guess late 1990's. She died after a long term stay in a secure unit.

[Richmond Parka]

Help please, Henry's second youngest child Walter b1914, I don't quite know how to interpret apply precisely GRO for his death cert from BMD image attached.

My Best: Hamblin Walter  Qtr. Mar Surrey N  Vol 17 Page 413. ?

Convoluted mail only option, any silly error will start a saga. Sorry but I am still in Janet & John territory here.
Thanks

[keyboard86]

Help please, Henry's second youngest child Walter b1914, I don't quite know how to interpret apply precisely GRO for his death cert from BMD image attached.

My Best: Hamblin Walter  Qtr. Mar Surrey N  Vol 17 Page 413. ?

Convoluted mail only option, any silly error will start a saga. Sorry but I am still in Janet & John territory here.
Thanks

Well for a start it is Male, 2nd qtr 1978, born 17th March 1914 Death registered Surrey Northern
Vol 17 page 413
Keyboard86

PS 2nd qtr is April/May/June?

[johnP-bedford]

Have you got the birth cert of Walter Hamblin born June qtr 1914 Fulham RD to confirm birth date?

Do you know if Walter married ?? & if so to whom & when

Regards John

[Richmond Parka]

Thanks for helpful heads up, no I have not, going by a plausible BMD index.
I'll check out properly.
Walter did not marry, or have known children,  to my best memory his long term partner up to his death was "Joy". My dad & his elder  brothers Horace & Harold definatly sorted his funeral.

[Richmond Parka]

The parents ... Henry William Hamblin married Elizabeth Stenhouse at St.George Hanover Square in Dec 1865. On 1871 census they were living at 5or7 Little George street, Chelsea with 3 children, he was age 27 a Baker. On 1881 census they are at 6 Spencer Road St.Pancras with 4 children (1 from 1871 & 3 more including Harry age 7, one from 1871 is Henry George born 1870 & not with them in 1881, so assumed died). Henry William is age 36 born Newbury, Berks 7 a Railway Signalman. Ancestry has Railway Employment record for him, he started at St.Pancras in 1875 age 32 as a pointsman. Baptism records for 5 of the children show him as a pointsman, their address 6 Fleet Mews, 4 were done at St.Saviours Middx on 15 Apr 1878, showing birth dates, Harry is born on 16 Dec 1873 which matches your birth certificate. 

   

n slim hope that Harry Hamblin appeared on either parents death cert if only to eliminate. I applied for their death certs. Unsurprisingly not so.
Allot of if's, but in absence of all else. It won't hurt to leave the details gained here.

Henry William  Hamblin was informant on his wife Elizabeth Hamblin nee Stenhouse death cert who died of typhoid  at their address: 1, Salisbury Road  Islington 03/01/ 1889 aged 45. Death Reg 05/01/1889

Henry William Hamblin retired railway signalman died yrs later  on  11/01/ 1927 Edmonton. 70, Clinton Rd Tottenham. aged 83. informant Emily Osbourne possibly his youngest  born, Emily Maude Hamblin b. St Pancras 1882.
 13/01/1927 an Emily Osbourne of 28, Somerset Rd. Tottenham was informant.

Along the way I picked up following details.

For record: Hamblin - Stenhouse offsprings birth deaths  found at GRO, I'll spare you the children's full index's
1866 b.Maria Alice B. Chelsea, 
1968 b. Albert Chelsea,     
1870 b. Harry George -died Chelsea June qtr 1873 ,     
1872 b. Lizzie -died Chelsea 1872,
1874 b. (Dec 1873)  Harry Hamblin St Pancras ,       
1876 b. Ellen St Pancras. 
1882 b. Emily Maude. St Pancras.

There was an Elizabeth Stenhouse born in 1843. M qtr St George Hanover Sq Vol 01 pg 24  Mothers mn Wigan.
  (District  where Hamblin - Stenhouse wedding took place 1865)

There was a  Henry (No William) Hamblin born in 1843 Newbury Sept qtr. Newbury Vol 06 Pg 209  Mothers mn Ballard.

Agrees more or less with his Jan 1927 death cert & his other Newbury 1843 given DOB’s.

Thanks for continued interest.

All Information given crown copyright property.

[Richmond Parka]

I have received Henry's son Leonard Hamblins birth cert. 16/06/1899. 9, Hopgood St, Shepherds Bush.
Just looked into his WW1 service, his pay going to his mother calculates he signed up at 15 & died in France 29/09/1916.
Gained in absence of service record, by posting a thread on WW1 corner on this constructive site.

[Richmond Parka]

There was one last child born to the Hamblin -Stenhouse family.
1886 Ernest . Islington. M   01B pg 219
Although negative, there is an object to this.
To disprove possible link between  Harry Hamblin born 1873 St Pancras & H.H Cabbie St Pancras 1891 census once & for all.
Finding  1873 Harry approx 18 still with his father in 1891 would certainly do this.

 These Harry's probably one person was first suggested 10 + years back & remains plausible.
Chances of a marriage between Henry & Beatrice was always vanishingly small.
Circumstantial past seems as good as it gets for Grandad Henry? Hamblin, he spent his last six years in our home never uttering a word of his past. As in the rest of his life. As did his wife Beatrice.

I'll put final findings together next re. 1891 census.

[Richmond Parka]

Harry Hamblin’s  mother Elizabeth nee Stenhouse died in 1889,  father Henry Willian Hamblin soon married again,  typically as Harry William Hamblin in 1890 to an Emma Glindon  Islington. M 1b 426

1891 census he is found Harry Hamblin railway signalman.
His age 40 is wrong, but everything else tallies.
With second wife Emma 36 the three youngest children still with them , Agnes 12 , Emily 9, Ernest 4, living at Tavistock terrace Islington.
All of the older Children now absent.

1891 Harry Hamblin Born Dec 1873 has left home too.


A big thankyou is owed to CaroleW for intuitive guidance in this 1891 look up.
This ask was the Gulp! moment for me.
And thanks to everyone for their interest getting this far.