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Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« on: Tuesday 14 July 20 05:28 BST (UK) »
Hi all, I have hit a brick wall with Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY.  I know about his early adulthood and have information about crimes he committed in England, that he was sentenced to death which was commuted to transportation for life, and his subsequent life in Australia.  His occupation was listed as Stockinger.

What I can't find is his date of birth, place of birth and parents.  All the information I have states that he was born in Scotland (possibly Roxburghshire) c1791.  There is nothing on marriage or death certificates to help.

One thing I do know is that he was an absconder from the Derbyshire Militia sometime before 1810-1812.  I don't have access to the Derbyshire Militia records.  Can anyone help me, please?

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 10:27 BST (UK) »
Do you know which name was his 'proper' one, or did he use both as and when he felt like a change?

If the crimes were in England, any idea when he was first down there?

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 11:25 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism for an Andrew Scott on 7 May 1791 at Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland.  Parents are William Scott and Janet Dixon.

There is another one on 8 August 1790 at Bowden, Roxburgh, Scotland.  Parents are Andrew Scott and Marion Sinclair

These are from a transcription on Find My Past.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 01:01 BST (UK) »
Either of those families are possibilities.  Andrew Scott and Eleanor (Ellen) Dillon had four children: Andrew, Ann, Ellen, William.  I will take a further look at the families and see if I can trace them.  Thanks so much xx

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 07:45 BST (UK) »
Do you know which name was his 'proper' one, or did he use both as and when he felt like a change?

If the crimes were in England, any idea when he was first down there?

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 08:18 BST (UK) »
See my amendment at ****

Ancestry 
Assignment and Employment of Convicts Government Labour Exemption Register 1828 -1830
PURDY Thomas   #29/290 15 Jun 1829
Ship:                                        P of Orange
Year of Arrival:                          1821
Bench by which recommended:  Sydney
District:                                    Sydney

Muster Rolls and related records
Name:                   SCOTT Andrew alias Thomas
                            PURDY                         "
Where tried:          Derby Assizes   13 Jul 1812   life

Convict Indents 1788 - 1842
Name:                  PURDY Thomas    29/290
Tried:                   Norfolk Assizes  24 Jul 1820    Life
Native Place:         Norfolk
Occupation:          Bricklayer
Age:                     24

Ticket of Leave
34/37   1 Feb 1834
Name:                  PURDY Thomas
Ship:                    Prince of Orange  1821
Tried:                    Norfolk Assizes   24 Jul 1820   Life
Year of Birth:         1796

In Lieu of 31/120   16 Apr 1831, returned mutilated and cancelled.

Permission to marry  1828
PURDY Thomas                  31y    Prince of Orange
GRANT or HUGHES Helen    26y   Princess Charlotte
permission refused

Permission to marry  28 Jan 1830
PURDY Thomas                 33y       Prince of Orange
CRAIG Mary                      30y      Brothers (2)

*****Permission to marry  11 Jul 1835
SCOTT Andrew  alias  PURDY Thomas    54y     
Ship:             Earl Spencer
Place of App:     ****
Stated single

YARNOLD Ann                                       30y     
Ship:             Diana
Place of App:      Newcastle
Stated on arrival she was married and had one child.

Permission to marry
Name:   SCOTT Andrew or PURDY Thomas   44y   P  of Orange
Name:   DILLON Eleanor      23y                         Numa(?)

BDM NSW      baptism
2725/1835 V18352725 121A   SCOTT  Andrew  parents Andrew / Ellen

1169/1848 V18481169 49      SCOTT  Ellen      parents Andrew / Ellen

1417/1850 V18501417 50      SCOTT  WILLIAM parents Andrew / Ellen

Where do you see this information -

"'... His occupation was listed as Stockinger."

"...All the information I have states that he was born in Scotland (possibly Roxburghshire) c1791."

"...I do know is that he was an absconder from the Derbyshire Militia sometime before 1810-1812."

If he marries as Andrew SCOTT, and names his son Andrew.......he has a greater sense of
identity / connection / legitimacy   to the SCOTT name than to  the PURDY name?

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 08:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you Wivenhoe   ;D

This record states he is native of Norfolk  :-\

Ancestry 
Muster Rolls and related records
Name:                   SCOTT Andrew alias Thomas
                            PURDY                         "
Where tried:          Derby Assizes   13 Jul 1812   life

Convict Indents 1788 - 1842
Name:                  PURDY Thomas    29/290
Tried:                   Norfolk Assizes  24 Jul 1820    Life
Native Place:         Norfolk
Occupation:          Bricklayer
Age:                     24

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 08:50 BST (UK) »


That locates him to be in Norfolk.....but where was he born?.

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Re: Andrew SCOTT alias Thomas PURDY born 1791 Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 08:55 BST (UK) »
He is in a few trees on Ancestry.

Australia convict index (no image on Ancestry) has a different age:

Andrew Scott [Thomas Purdy] Age: 33  (born about 1780)
Birth Place: Scotland   Arrival year: 1813   Arrival State: New South Wales
Ship: Earl Spencer   Occupation:   hosier

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Image is on F M P.