Author Topic: Is this him? Lionel Albert Archer  (Read 677 times)

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Is this him? Lionel Albert Archer
« on: Tuesday 14 July 20 14:17 BST (UK) »
I have been looking for years but keep coming to the same answer so is this my granddad?
Lionel Albert Archer b 1896 Tring Hertfordshire
Private WO329 Reg No. 55137
Manchester Regiment.
That's the bit confusing me, Manchester Regiment. He came from Hertfordshire I have a photo of him & his cap badge is clearly visible, two stripes on his sleeve which I believe (could be wrong) that he was injured twice.
Any info would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 14:23 BST (UK) »
Did you mean to attach a photo to this ?  :)

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 14:35 BST (UK) »
There are a number of possibilities for stripes on his sleeve!  Upright small stripes on the lower left sleeve are wound stripes.  Rank stripes are V shaped chevrons, often called stripes on the upper arm, two being corporal.  Good conduct stripes are V shaped chevrons point uppermost on the lower left sleeve two indicating over two and under six years service.  Check wound stripes:

https://www.researchingww1.co.uk/ww1-wound-stripes#:~:text=Due%20to%20the%20material%20they%20were%20made%20from%2C,line%2C%20around%20the%20size%20of%20a%20little%20finger.

The local affiliations took a back seat soon after war began with the army putting people where they were needed so don't be surprised with his being in the Manchesters.  The medal award roll says he served with 21 Battalion overseas.

(The WO 329 is the National Archives medal award rolls from which the info has been extracted.)

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 14:49 BST (UK) »
Linking to this gallery of photos on an Ancestry public tree. The cap badge looks like a Lancers regiment:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/150650587/person/310244139030/gallery
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 15:01 BST (UK) »
The photo I have is defiantly Herts Regiment, sorry I can't attach a photo but he is on ancestry

Thanks again

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 15:45 BST (UK) »
Is the man that ShaunJ picks up on Ancestry your Lionel? 

The man looks like a cavalryman and the cap badge is not Hertfordshire Regiment but could be Hertfordshire Yeomanry (who were cavalry).

I'll send you my direct email by PM to clarify the cap badge.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 16:14 BST (UK) »
Yes that's him on Ancestry, I think the stripes on his uniform can be seen as well.

If they moved around did they change uniforms as well or just the cap badge?
Sorry I'm not clued up on uniforms
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 17:32 BST (UK) »
One wound stripe and one good conduct stripe so over 2 years service.

I am pretty certain that he is Herefordshire Yeomanry  which is not the Hertfordshire Regiment
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/283444159423?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-153316-527457-8&mkcid=2&itemid=283444159423&targetid=4585032211933600&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=398226948&mkgroupid=1302921513642151&rlsatarget=pla-4585032211933600&abcId=2145997&merchantid=87779&msclkid=eddfbc8cf34d13cc45f1e3812e0dd29f

I think it unlikely that he served overseas with the Manchester Regiment but the task now is to find a military record in the cavalry - none so far.

Run out of time at the moment!

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 July 20 18:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you MaxD still my superstar.