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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 18 July 20 20:50 BST (UK) »
Well done once again sandra
I checked tree of  our nearest dna match
It has parents as Max SILVERMAN+ jennie OSTROW

No irwin as son but there is Murray Silvers b 29 ,dec 1908 brooklyn

His sister shirley is Nok on draft papers address 238+55th street brooklyn

He has optomtrists business 831 Hamilton Allentown lehigh Pa

Also on his marriage papers fathers profession  plumber
so thers a plumber connection  too
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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 18 July 20 21:00 BST (UK) »
There is this chap - Murray S Silvers - The Morning Call
Allentown, Pennsylvania 15 Nov 1990, Thu    Page 49

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/55601088/obituary-for-murray-s-silvers-aged-81/

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKGD-RDD9

find a grave -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1F-NYZS

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/142011242

Emma Louise Smink Silvers 1921 - 2018 (obit and photograph attached)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188794668/emma-louise-silvers

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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 18 July 20 21:04 BST (UK) »
Murray S. Silvers 39 years - Birth Date1909.
Marriage Date 5/12/1948 - Marriage Place Allentown Lehigh Pennsylvania - Father Max Silvers - Mother Jennie Ostrow = Spouse - Emma L. Smink.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFW4-W8K

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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 18 July 20 21:05 BST (UK) »
According to Nellie's obit, her maiden name was "Schwartz". Also, Nellie had a sister Eppie Feiler.

Nellie Fein

Jersey Journal
Jersey City, New Jersey
February 18, 1994

Obit: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pqj/

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Eppie died in 1995.

SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JP7G-36N

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148996861

The family in the 1910-1930 censuses.

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HM-RRN

1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJTG-1LQ

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4V7-CCT

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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 18 July 20 21:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sandra
I have lots of information about Nellie and her siblings but I didntkbow the second daughters married name

You are the queen of obituaries
Maybeyou can find onefor max SILVERMAN or Shirley the daughter that would mention Albert
Unless they disowned him.!
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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 18 July 20 22:38 BST (UK) »
Ive had a look at some of the original censusrs
The one spelt Selverman is that family

 Irwin was an optician from age ,18

I cant find the 1915 one but suspect levenson could be a mistrancript.

Ladie could be Sadie later known as Shirley
S often looks like L

Could alice be Alex ? * I mean Albert
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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 18 July 20 23:12 BST (UK) »
There is an ancestry tree which gives Shirley Silvers - 4 July 1910 who died in San Bernardino California 4 May 1996

The California Death Index shows - Shirley S Weiss  Shirley S Silverman - 4 July 1910 New York - died 4 May 1996 San Bernardino California - Mothers Maiden Name Ginsberg - Father Silverman -

but the  U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 gives parents names which do not seem to tie in  so I would be sceptical of that info at the moment :-\

Shirley Silverman Weiss Shirley S Weiss  - Shirley Silverman Silverman

Birth Date 4 Jul 1910 New York City, New York
Death Date 4 May 1996
Claim Date 9 May 1972
Father Herman Silverman - Mother Annie Ginsberg

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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 18 July 20 23:28 BST (UK) »
I think thats the tree I looked at
The life story of max said he had a wife rose&11 children
& 3 children by someone else  but that cant be right

1910 has an elder son.Benjamin.
Irvin.is Isodor
Alex is abraham
Murray is morris
Shirley is Sadie ..too close ages to be a different family ?
Jeannie has had 6 children by then 5 living

Max seems to go through a lot of different proffessions  which doesnt help
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Re: Albert Silverman b 1901 Russia. was he shot .who were his parents ?
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 19 July 20 00:10 BST (UK) »
Ok I found the 1915 where they re transcribed as levenson

As you say Sandra
Benjamin Bennie is a plumber
So it seems to be the right family

+ it does look like Irvin and Albert were linked to gangsters
Irvin lived at New Jersey at the time of the crime
It was linked to a gang with "pretty boy Floyd"

My mum has a tiny dna link to the owner of the tree with different wives for Max so I may tryand contact her

Is it odd that muray S / maurice put his sister shirley as contact on 1940 draft paper ? They may have been twins

She was single with both her parents in 1940
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