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Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« on: Monday 20 July 20 23:28 BST (UK) »
Can anyone translate?
I am looking for the baptism of John Mooney have I got the right one  ???
I honestly havenít got a clue

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 July 20 23:31 BST (UK) »
Oops sorry itís big. Canít make it smaller as I only have my phone.
Looking for the baptism of John Mooney at St Michaels Limerick circa 1798.
Handicapped by a lack of knowledge of Catholic baptisms, lack of knowledge of the Latin Language, lack of the skill at Reading old writing. Sure you get the picture  ;)

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 06:08 BST (UK) »
Big is good.

As I read it, this is a Baptism for an Annam (ie Ann) Moroney, daughter of John Moroney and Jane (whose surname isn't clear but could be Maloney?).

If you have more candidates, look for the word after Item Bap: to begin with the letter J as seen here in the last word of line 1 and the word after the ampersand in line 2.

It will be a longer word than you expect - Johannem or Joannem is the Latin.

Post the clip if at all unsure.



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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 07:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks, that is helpful.
What about this one?

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 08:43 BST (UK) »
The best I can say with respect to this one is a heavily qualified maybe.

The child's forename could be Joannem = John (male).

However a female child named Joan or Joanna would be Johannam/Joannam.  The writing is so messy it's hard to be sure which we have here.  Looking at Item, Joannem is more likely.

The heavily contracted word after the child's forename may give a clue to gender but I don't know what the word is meant to be.

The father's forename is probably Guliellmo, which is Latin for William.  (The case ending here may or may not be strictly correct.  Normally it is genitive, which would be Guliellmi.)

I really cannot be sure of anything about the father's suranme.  I wouldn't have thought of Mooney as a possibility, but it's so messy...

The mother is something like Brigida/Birgida Lyne?  (Again it's not the genitive case ending.)

Do you know that the right record is on this page but can't identify it, or are we searching from scratch?  Is the register indexed?

I am away from the computer for some hours now, but that will give others a chance to offer an opinion.

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 09:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks, yes I wasnít convinced on Mooney either but itís very lazy writing.
No starting from scratch. I cannot see that the registers of St Michaels are indexed but I may be wrong.

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0895

He is born abt 1798 in all censuses apart from 1861 when it is 1801. 1797/8 according to his military record which Shaun found on this thread. This is what confirms his place of birth.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=816658.msg6996784

I have looked through the baptisms from 1795-1801 and I pulled out a few possibilities, the ones Iíve posted seemed the most likely to me. However 2-4 records on each page are pretty much illegible  ::)

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 11:52 BST (UK) »
I can't add much to horselydown's reply #4 except:
1. The word after Lyne might be the residence of the family. I'm only saying that because it's a piece of information I'd expect to be included in a baptism register. Other information sometimes included were maiden surname of mother and whether parents were married (or not).
2. The sponsors on bottom line might be Joannis M.....y and Anna Kennedy. Male sponsor's surname may or may not be same as the father's surname, whatever that is.
When there were 2 sponsors the male's name was first. Occasionally there was only 1 sponsor e.g. if only 1 parent was R.C. or if baby was illegitimate, when there might have been a sponsor from the mother's side only.
Irish R.C. registers are indexed on FindMyPast. 
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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 11:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks. Iím really not sure itís the right record at all. I have a habit of missing things when I look through  ::)
I assumed the names at the end were the sponsors. Off to have a look at findmypast now thanks for the tip.
Edit not seeing anything on findmypast

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Re: Looking for first Catholic baptism - what does this one say?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 15:47 BST (UK) »
I've just noticed that if the witness name is Kennedy (as it appears to be), then the father's surname is Kenny or Kinny.  It's the same capital.