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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 13:33 BST (UK) »
Divorce
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8036815
Divorce Court File: 3554.
Appellant: Fred Allen Benjamin Stein.
Respondent: Lal Stein.
Co-respondent: F L Thomas.
Type: Husband's petition for divorce
Date:   1923
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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi thank you for your help & you always amaze me with the research.

I had no idea of the Theatre connexion I will have to pursue that.

I have ordered the marriage certificate but that could take some time. A tree gave her father as Wally Newton and I have a Lily Newton daughter of Walter Newton born 1900 in the Crew area.

I did not see the 1939 entry but I was looking in the Leeds & Derbyshire areas not thinking she had gone back down south.

Fred Stein died 21 May 1929 at the Yardley Road Sanitorium, his grandfather was Nathaniel Muffitt he was a timber Merchant, born in Roberttown Yorkshire & moved down to Gloucestershire.
I will pass this on to her granddaughter who contacted my.

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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 14:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

Just had a look at the 1939 registry entry & it looks like they have put Harvis instead of Harris also gives her as single instead of divorced. The year of birth is wrong she would only have been 15 when she married Fred Stein but her date of birth would correspond with the baptism of Lily Newton on 28 October 1900 at Copperhall, Cheshire, the daughter of Walter & Emma Newton.

I will have to wait for the certificate to come to see if my theory about Walter is right

Once again some fantastic research well done.
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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 14:55 BST (UK) »
She would have been the person who gave the information in 1939 about her surname, marital status and date of birth.  She probably wanted to appear younger than she was. 

Do let us know when you get the marriage certificate, shame the divorce papers are not part of TNA's current free downloads.
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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 15:04 BST (UK) »

her date of birth would correspond with the baptism of Lily Newton on 28 October 1900 at Copperhall, Cheshire, the daughter of Walter & Emma Newton.


For info.......fingers crossed you have found the person you are looking for

from Cheshire BMD

NEWTON   Walter   
HOPE   Emma   
1899   Crewe, St Paul

from GRO indexes

NEWTON, LILY   mmn HOPE
1900  D Quarter in NANTWICH  Volume 08A  Page 300   

NEWTON, JOHN    mmn   HOPE 
1905  S Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 914

Edit to add detail of marriage

27 Aug 1899 St Paul Crewe

Walter Newton 27, Tailorís Cutter, 119 Earle St., Crewe
father George, Tailorís cutter

Emma Hope age 29, Tailoress, 15 Vincent St Crewe
father Henry Hope, shoemaker

Witnesses William Saunders & Caroline Gee Gordon

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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 21:20 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure Lily, daughter of Walter Newton and Emma Hope, is the right person.

It looks like Walter died in 1927 and Emma died in 1939. Children Lily and John appear to be together in the 1939 register, in which case it can't be the right Lily. I could be wrong though.


1901 Census - Monks Coppenhall, Nantwich, Cheshire
Walter, Emma & Lily
Ref RG13; Piece 3358; Folio 153; Page 9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS6X-6Q1

1911 Census - Moss Side, South Manchester, Lancashire
Walter, Emma, Lily & John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBT-BG3


Possible deaths of Walter and Emma:

GRO references:
1927 Q2 Death: Walter Newton; age 57 (born c1870); Stockport; vol 8a; page 3
1939 Q2 Death: Emma Newton; age 67 (born c1872); Barton; vol 8c; page 605


Probate index:
Walter Newton
of 65 George-street Moss Side Manchester
died 24 May 1927 at Goyt Cottage Strines-road Strines Cheshire
Admin Manchester 01 Jul
to Emma Newton, widow
Effects £424 14s 9d
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=newton&yearOfDeath=1927&page=4#calendar

Probate index:
Emma Newton
of 5 Grosvenor-road Umrston Lancashire
widow
died 27 Apr 1939
Admin Manchester 30 May
to John Newton press tool maker
and Lily Newton spinster
Effects £339 6s
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=newton&yearOfDeath=1939&page=2#calendar


Manchester Evening News
28 Apr 1939
Deaths
Newton - On April 27, at 5 Grosvenor Road, Urmston, Emma, the beloved wife of the late Walter Newton (late of Moss Side). Internment Southern Cemetery, Monday, at 11 o'clock. Inquiries Smethills and Sons.


Find A Grave
Walter Newton (Unknown-1927)
buried 28 May 1927
Southern Cemetery, Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Manchester
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164649846

Find A Grave
Emma Newton (Unknown-1939)
buried 01 May 1939
Southern Cemetery, Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Manchester
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149971566/emma-newton
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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 22 July 20 08:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the research into Walter & Emma.

It is looking like my theory was wrong I will just have to wait until the certificate comes so I can get the extra info.
Will keep you posted.
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Re: Help with finding Lal Newton
« Reply #16 on: Friday 31 July 20 16:17 BST (UK) »
Hi

Just got the marriage certificate. Lal Newton married F.A.B. Stein at Birmingham registry Office Feb 1920, it gives her age as 21 & she is a music hall artist, her father was Wally Newton, deceased musical hall artist.

With them being music hall artist they could be both using stage names so could be hard to trace.

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Hill, Mattinson, Nicholson
Morrey, Hudson, Limb