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Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« on: Tuesday 21 July 20 11:18 BST (UK) »
The attached clipping is an extract from the Will of Thomas NEWINGTON of Salehurst dated 1580.

I dare not hope for a full transcription of the Will however I am hoping there may be someone who can look at the clipping/s and document any people mentioned and any dates mentioned.

The Will is important given I am unable to date to locate official records of baptisms etc that would have assisted me fleshing out Thomas' descendants with any degree of rigor. Yes there are family trees around and other such resources however I am seeking some official records that verify inclusions and the Will seems a great way to provide rigor.
The Will is located at familysearch from page 25 to 28 inclusive.  I thought to start with the first clipping and see how it goes.
  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1DW-K9H?i=24&cat=685691

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 11:42 BST (UK) »
p25 line 10        wife (name?)
p25 line 16        daughter (Maeve?)
p25 line 19        all my sonnes
p25 line 21        Zabulon my sonne
p25 line 25        Jhon Newington the sonn of Morgan Newington
p25 line 25-6     Willm Newington the sonn of (?) Newington
p25 line 26        Jhon (Howford?) my wiffes daughter
p25 line 27        Thomas (Howford?) her brother
p25 line 28        Joan Bright my servant
p25 line 28        (?) Payne my servant
p25 line 29-30   my two sonns Samuell & Joseph

(I don't have time to check the other pages now)
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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hello Philip,

Thank you so very much.

In looking at a small section of this first clipping [as attached Extract 2] any ideas as to Thomas wife's name?

? ? I will and bequeath to ? my wife one bay mare [inserted above line] not to be delivered until one half year after my decease by my executor [return to line] Item I give to my said wife one ? one ? and all ?

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 15:15 BST (UK) »
His wife’s name is Ann. The next line is: Item I give to my said wife one featherbed, one bolster and all other appurtenances used to the same bed.
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 15:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Vance.  I wonder what are "...all other appurtenances used to the same bed." ;D

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 16:32 BST (UK) »
I wonder what are "...all other appurtenances used to the same bed."

It just means any other bed furnishings or accessories not specifically mentioned.

Here are a few points further to Phillip's work:

It's a judgement call, but I think the daughter is actually Marie.  For examples of this letter r, see the word before (near end of line two lines down) or her (near start of line four lines down).

There's another brother to Jhon Newington son of Morgan.  The page is damaged here but it probably begins with Th.

Ann Payne

This summarizes people mentioned to the bottom of the distinct page on Image 26:

Divides household stuff not bequeathed among wife, son Thomas, son Samuell and son Josephe.

Has a lease of Anthony Norman.

Another lease at Swiftsden? of Thomas Browne and his wife.

Residue to sons Morgan and Joseph who are appointed executors.

As overseer appoints loveing frinde in the Lord _____ Hopkinson.


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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 July 20 16:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for the additional material and explanation horselydown. :)

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 July 20 12:51 BST (UK) »
Westy, following the material I summarized (as to people) in my last post, there is what I think is probably a second will concerning his lands.  This was not uncommon in the C16th.

This text is somewhat chopped up by damage and folds, but I have found several passages which may be useful to you, as follows:

...that the said morgan or his heires do not at any tyme truble or molest ^in the lawe^ his brother Thomas, for any mater

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[missing in fold] in the last will and testament of ther uncle Godard ffoule...
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...I will to zabulon my son the barne and lande w(hi)ch I had by the laste will of Richarde Bachelore...
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Provided always that conc(er)ning the barn and and landes geven to my son zabulon , my verie w[ill ys] that he my said son shall

sell and [assure?] ^by [?] [?] except by bond of^ the same to m(aster) Jhon Wilgoase at any tyme w(i)thin one yeare after [my] decease yf they two can agree

upon it

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Witnesses are William Hopkinson and Jhon Stevens w(i)th others

As an aside, he mentions two fields ...called by the names of Bull twysell otherwais [missing in fold]...

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Re: Deciphering a seemingly indecipherable Will
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 July 20 13:11 BST (UK) »
Hello Horselydown,

Thank you very much.  Your efforts are very much appreciated.
Of great interest in this Will and the one that you Vance and Philip contributed to was the son Zabulon; he has not been mentioned previously so that is such a great find.

In addition you have found an Uncle Godard ffoule.  I will have to track that one down as that is very exciting as is the mention of Richarde Bachelore.  I wonder what is the connection between Richard & Thomas the Testator?

Do you have a web address for the second Will you mention please?

Westy