Gertrude & Thomas COOK

[garlands]

 A further thought.

There must have been correspondence between the COOKs and the Society which would necessitate the names and the address being correct.

George

[garlands]

Another point from re-reading the report. It states that "When (the elder boy) was visited at the end of September, 1960,.........)" That would be difficult if the family did not live at the given address.

George

[Annette7]

At the end of the day nothing regarding the names given as 'Thomas' and 'Gertrude' named in the report can be proved by records available.   It is easy for a house number to be mistranscribed from notes made at the time but not names unless they were nicknames they chose to use - and, if the 2 boys in question are the ones we appear to have identified then, as soon as Scotlands People start issuing certificates again you need to purchase J R's birth certificate which will confirm names of his parents and crucially his birthdate which you state was 5/3/1942.

I really don't know how we can help you further.  Only by the birth certificates of the 2 boys can you progress one way or another.   

Annette

[jonw65]

Ancestry has, in UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
Walter John Thomas Cook
RN Long Service and Good conduct Medal
Application Books: 86680-98529 (1944-1954)

Must admit that came up via an ancestry tree.
A baptism for Walter at Carhampton, Somerset, 29 March 1914

There is a baptism of Helena (for Eleanor) Mary Downer, 3 May 1907, St Luke, Enfield
Born 29 March 1907

Of course the tree doesn't have her in the Enfield vaccination registers, hidden away on there!
Father Henry John Downer, a Carman at a Distillery.

As it is difficult to find another Cook with all those names in that order(!) the navy medal record is interesting.
John

[garlands]

Annette,

   I must admit that I have to agree with you. I just hope that my'credits' outlast the covid-19 hiatus

Jon,

   Great news; you've definitely found 'my' Thomas COOK. Thank you. The Royal Navy connection is the clincher. I'd tried the National Archives but to no effect. Well done.

George

[Annette7]

Well done, jonw65.

George, having some credits will not do you any good on Scotlands People with regard to J R Cook's birth certificate.   You are not able to view this certificate online (if so, you could have done it now).   You are going to have to order a copy but since lockdown they are not allowing people to order certificates.   Will have to wait until 'normal' service is resumed (whenever that will be).

Annette

[garlands]

Annette,

Whilst the situation at ScotlandsPeople it is deeply frustrating, thanks to Jon's work, sight of the Birth Certificate is much less vital now that father has been fully identified, which was 50% of the reason for my starting this thread.

George

[garlands]

You've all provided so much information, for which I'm most grateful. I've attempted to summarize it as follows:-

1.    Thomas COOK is Walter John Thomas COOK
2.    W J T COOK  m Eleanor M DOWNES in Edmonton, 3Q 1938
3.    Gertrude COOK d 4Q 2000 in Enfield, b c1913
4.    In 1960 the family lived at 25, Primrose Avenue, Enfield
5.    Electoral registers for the period have Wilfred HEARNE and Doris G HEARNE at 25, Walter J T  COOK and Eleanor M COOK at 23
6.   Doris G HEARNE is Doris Gertrude HEARNE (nee POLMEAR)
7.   COOK, Walter  John Thomas  Mother's Maiden Surname: TAYLOR  1914  M Quarter in Williton
8.    A baptism for Walter at Carhampton, Somerset, 29 March 1914 (4m from Williton)
9.   COOK, Walter  John Thomas   Year of Birth: 1914 d  Q1/2010 in Enfield 
10.   Walter seems to left a will, proved at Ipswich, 11 March 2010 Died 28 January 2010.
11.   Death of Eleanor Sep 1982 Enfield   COOK, Eleanor Mary d-o-b 29 March 1907
12.   Ancestry has, in UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972: Walter John Thomas COOK RN Long Service and Good conduct Medal   Books: 86680-98529 (1944-1954)
13.   There is a baptism of Helena (for Eleanor) Mary Downer, 3 May 1907, St Luke, Enfield b 29 March 1907.

Please correct and point out my omissions

George

[Annette7]

garlands, number 3 is not relevant to your family.   

A Gertrude Bick was born 19/4/1913 - she married a George J Cook in 1943, and she is the Gertrude Cook b.19/4/1913, d.2000 Enfield.

Annette