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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 09:25 BST (UK) »
Exactly - she should be a Holtom but there is no sign of such a person. Also William Holtom, whose exact birthdate I don't know but who was baptised in February 1814 (and later records are consistent with a birthdate of 1813-14 for him), makes it tricky to fit a Rebecca in at the time she is supposed to have been born.

Otherwise - which would be intriguing - she might be a half-sister on Harrietís paternal side, of which I know absolutely nothing. I donít know who brought Harriet (1811) up, though of course one usually assumes itís the mother in these situations unless proven otherwise. Her mother Mary Ann lived until 1840.
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Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
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Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 11:04 BST (UK) »
It's all intriguing this one.

You say when Rebecca married she put her father as John Mason, did she also say she was a widow?

It doesn't tally having the same surname does it. 

Any idea about James Sullivan who isn't with her in 1861, who was his father on the marriage please?
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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 11:10 BST (UK) »
Yes, Rebecca described herself a widow when she married James Sullivan.

James was a widowed labourer of full age, of 3 Brunswick Gardens, Regent St, son of James Sullivan (deceased), labourer. I havenít found him before or after the 13 November 1853 marriage.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 11:15 BST (UK) »
I think I will have to order Rebeccaís death certificate in the hope that her daughter Harriet was the informant - perhaps with a married name. Itís a bit of a long shot really.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 11:32 BST (UK) »
Might be a long shot but you never know what information might be on there.

You've probably already looked for the 1853 address for James in 1851 to see who was living there.



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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 11:36 BST (UK) »
Could she be the wife of a brother?  Relationship terms were used differently then.

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Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 12:11 BST (UK) »
Could she be the wife of a brother?  Relationship terms were used differently then.

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Thanks for the suggestion Gaie. I am open to any eventuality - including that she wasnít a blood relative at all but was brought up with Harriet in a quasi-adoptive situation. One of the reasons I would like to trace Harriet Sophia Mason later on is to see whether any DNA links come up.

So far as I know, Harriet b 1811 was the only pre-marital child of Mary Ann Elborough/Elbro/Elbrow. The Holtom children I know of are William bapt 1814, Risper/Rizpah 1816, Thomas 1820, Emma 1823, Henry 1826, John 1828, Marianne/Mary 1831 and Ann 1833.

There are not rich pickings there for a first husband for Rebecca b c1813-14. William married a Sarah Boulding in 1841 and their marriage was lengthy. I donít have a marriage for Thomas as yet, but he died in 1858 so would not have left a widow before that.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 12:25 BST (UK) »
You've probably already looked for the 1853 address for James in 1851 to see who was living there.

Iíve tried - but have not yet managed to establish even that there was such a place as Brunswick Gardens in the Regent St area :D
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help me place Rebecca (born c1813 Gloucestershire) in my tree
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 12:40 BST (UK) »
I've tried too but address searching is not my best subject! 

I found a Joseph Alexander Weller Brunswick Gardens Kensington? in 1861 but unhelpfully he isn't there in 1851.
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