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Offline aghadowey

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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #9 on: Monday 27 July 20 20:23 BST (UK) »
People didn't always know there birthdays even into the 1900s. My father-in-law, born before WWI, never remembered when he was born and a relative of my father's born in early 1920s had 3 different birthdates (the one on birth certificate, birthdate in baptism register and the day his own mother said he was born).
By the time someone's death was registered there would have been even less accuracy as the details on the certificate depends on the knowledge of an informant.

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I found him on the 1911 census, how can I obtain a birth certificate UK Gov say none to be found.
If he was born in Tipperary the U.K. government would not have a birth registration for him.
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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #10 on: Monday 27 July 20 20:25 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 27 July 20 20:28 BST (UK) »
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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #12 on: Monday 27 July 20 21:00 BST (UK) »
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 02:14 BST (UK) »
The 1901 census shows the Fitzsimon family heavily involved with the railway:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Maryborough_Rural/Togher/1649150/

Martin Fitzsimon's 1879 birth registration shows the parents as Michael Fitzsimon and Catherine Carroll:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02906/2064821.pdf

Michael Fitzsimons married Catherine Maloney nee Carroll the previous year:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11093/8059921.pdf

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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 09:02 BST (UK) »

Two more sons.

Patrick Joseph born 1917                  MMN MONMAN (Sic)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01319/1545204.pdf

James born 1918                    MMN MORANAN (Sic)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01279/1530363.pdf

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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 09:55 BST (UK) »
Quote from: whiffey1 on Monday 27 July 20 19:52 BST (UK)
although it states Annie as his mother it also shows on two sites different nee names for her, possibly the recorder heard it wrongly
What are these different maiden names? Are they within the variations we have shown?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: birth certificate 1905 clonmel
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 15:24 BST (UK) »
Quote from: whiffey1 on Monday 27 July 20 19:52 BST (UK)
  also although it states Annie as his mother it also shows on two sites different nee names for her, possibly the recorder heard it wrongly or the her husband (my great grandfather)  may of remarried and both women had same christen name, see how I'm plucking at straws!!! 

Another tip -  Irish women called Annie weren't necessarily christened Anne. Annie was a diminutive for several names.
My GF married 2 women called Ann although Ann was the official name of only 1. To make matters even less clear, the 2 women were born only 10 days apart. 1911 census form for this family has half-a-dozen errors. Year of birth of eldest son is wrong on 1939 Register. (These were literate & numerate people, used to paperwork and calculations for their businesses. Ages and birthdays weren't important - one of my cousins didn't know her father's birthday.)
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