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Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« on: Tuesday 28 July 20 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hi. Robert and Evening Smith were my GGG Grandparents. Siberani Smith(their DIL) was myGG gran, and brought up my Gran (Harriet Smith) as her own. If anyone has any information about Siberani and her family, I'd be delighted to hear from them. Harriet's brother Thomas, was killed in the Dardanelles. He had 2 sons, one of whom(apparently) was owner of the Lincolnshire Chronicle. Likewise, I'd be delighted to hear from anyone connected.

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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 July 20 22:34 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

You haven't given any birthyears or birthplaces to help us find these people

There is a marriage in 1843 Stamford which has a Siberanious Smith & a Diverus Smith on the same page

A Siberina Smith b 1841 died 1917 Lincoln

Is this the family in 1881?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-R634

Were the family Travellers?


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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 07:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Carole, Thanks for your reply. Siberani Smith was married to Thomas Smith and died in Lincoln in 1917. She was born somewhere in Northants. The family were gypsies/travellers. I know Robert and Evening are both descendants of Wisdom Smith(from mid 1700's).  Siberani and Thomas'  daughter Mary Ann was my GGrandmother. On a census document it has Harriet(my Gran) down as their daughter, but she was Mary Ann's(born, I think when Mary Ann was very young) father unknown.


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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 07:35 BST (UK) »
Do you have the marriage certificate ? This should give you her fathers name.

These are the Banns

Thomas Smith Batchelor
Residence   Croxton Kerrial
Banns date   05 12 19th Oct 1856
Spouse Siberana Smith spinster
Spouse's residence   Croxton Kerrial
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Croxton Kerrial
County   Leicestershire

Married on 20th October Canít see full m/c online

Entry from FreeBMD 

Dec 1856 Grantham    7a   893
Mees    Ann       
Smith    Siberana       
Smith    Thomas       
Towers    William       

Is this Thomas Smith age 7 with parents Robert & Evening Smith and siblings Noah  & Robert on 1841 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYN-CMZ


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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 08:26 BST (UK) »
Is this Thomas Smith on 1891 census

10 Dawsons Court, Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Thomas   Smith   Head   Married   1832   Hawker   Leicester
Sibey   Smith   Wife   Married   1839    Northampton
Harriett   Smith   Daughter      1874    Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Thomas   Smith   Son                    1877 Lincoln, Lincolnshire
RG12 Piece 2592 Folio   109 Page   68

Edited to remove questions I hadn't seen your reply back to Carole

The above seem to be the same couple from 1881 census link posted by Carole reply 1

Dawsons Court
Tom Smith Head 44   Harby, Leicestershire
Siberamily Smith   Wife   40   Northampton
Josiah Smith   Son      22   North Scarle, Lincolnshire
Herbert Smith   Son      18   Swinderby, Lincolnshire
Ambrus Smith   Son   13   Branston, Leicestershire
Isabella Smith   Daughter   7   Lincoln
Mary Ann Smith   Daughter   12   Northampton

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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 11:25 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat  :D

I think we might be looking at this couple who are on the 1841 census living at Wymondham, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire

Robert (b.1791) and Evening Smith (b.1801)

They have three children with them, Noah, Robert and Thomas

Registration district   Melton Mowbray
Archive reference   HO107
Piece number   588
Book number   23
Folio number   18
Page number   30




Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 12:18 BST (UK) »
I can't seem to find any marriage for Robert and Evening.

The earliest baptism seems to be for Isabel on 10 December 1817, Robert occupation is described as Gipsy. In Wymondham.

Did Robert and Evening marry?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 13:17 BST (UK) »
Not sure if you have Thomas' baptism
   
Thomas Smith
Baptism 15 Jun 1834 Harby Leicestershire
Denomination   Anglican
Father    Robert, gypsey  Mother Evelin
Parish Registers

One of Thomas' children

Ambrose Smith
Baptism 27 May 1867 Eaton Leicestershire
Denomination   Anglican
father Thomas Occ gypsy mother Syb?nia
Parish Registers

Not found anything on Siberani Smith other than on census with husband Thomas and Banns for their marriage - as previously mentioned their marriage certificate should give you the name of her father

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Re: Robert and Evening Smith, Lincoln
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 July 20 14:50 BST (UK) »
ROBERT Smith Bapt 30 Dec 1829 St Mary, Melton Mowbray
Parents ROBERT/EVENING
Father occupation Gipsy
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