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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 August 20 06:11 BST (UK) »
Lancashire OPC
Christ Church Everton
Parents John and Pauline Tollerfield

Agnes Gertrude born 9 April 1884
Charles born 21 March 1887
Marion Gladys  baptized 25 September 1889 (only one without a birth date)
Benjamin born 23 January 1891
Harry Augustus born 4 March 1893

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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 August 20 06:41 BST (UK) »
St James the Less Church

John Edward Tollerfield baptized 16 April 1876 parents John and Pauline

Margaret Jane Tollerfield baptized 11 August 1881 parents John Tollerfield and Pauline

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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 August 20 10:41 BST (UK) »
So you have the baptisms/births  of the 2 children you quote in your opening post - Gladys & Gertrude and both have mothers maiden name as Lethbridge
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 01 August 20 12:02 BST (UK) »
Another Marriage same Father;

3 Feb 1873 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire
Benjamin Sudell Leathbridge - Minor, Fireman, Bachelor, Everton
Esther Allen - Minor, Spinster, Everton
Father: Benjamin Anderson Leathbridge, Deceased****, Book Keeper
Father: Thomas Allen, Boiler Maker
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Looks like Esther remarried 22 Oct 1877 to Samuel LLOYD, Widow, Father Thomas ALLEN
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1881 Census
Samuel Lloyd   23
Esther Lloyd   26 born Liverpool
Samuel Lloyd   3
Thomas Lloyd   1
Lucy J. Lloyd
Annie M. Hannah 23
Benjamin W. Allen   8
Benjamin E. Lethberg   6 Stepson (Benj G on image)

Darned if I can find Death Reg for Benj Jnr or Snr ???
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 01 August 20 12:18 BST (UK) »
So could the Lindell in Paulines name really be Sudell or Ludell?

Birth Reg;
LETHBRIDGE, BENJAMIN  ANDERSON mmn    SUDELL 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 149
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 01 August 20 12:30 BST (UK) »
Help Carole W and amondg :)

Am I clutching at straws?

LETHBRIDGE, MARY  JANE mmn SUDELL 
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 211
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 01 August 20 17:44 BST (UK) »
I think we need some input from frirish before putting any further effort in.  Somewhat confusing reply  from him #7
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 02 August 20 09:03 BST (UK) »
Both children with mothers maiden name as Sudell say their father Benjamin Lethbridge is a book keeper and deceased when they marry.
Perhaps their mother told them that after being deserted by the father.

Benjamin Leithbridge died age 23 on 1 June 1875, drowned, crew member of the ship Vicksburg, his address 50 Epsom Street Liverpool.(ancestry has Bonjamin)

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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 16:21 »
 :o :o :o :o
Words fail me you two! I don't know where to start. Well first I don't understand the assumption that I am male...
When I said the two Paulines were different people, I was told they were not.
My initial question was about geography which was not answered.
I did not give details precisely because I already had them. At no time did I ask that my efforts be duplicated.  I have witnessed this phenomenon before and all it serves is to make me feel bad that someone would storm ahead and waste their time. Best to ask questions first.

As I have come to learn with public family history sites, mistakes are made by all involved myself included. But with the Tollerfield line I have encountered even more types of errors than I have  experienced to date. I post this as a cautionary tale.

I have come across errors made by ancestry themselves. Here are some examples for the Tollerfield line.
 in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name:   John Tollerfield
Gender:   Male
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:   
Child:   Charles Tollerfield

Is incorrectly denoted as a marriage record when it's actually a baptismal record.

The individual who transcribed the data on the Tollerfield families in Liverpool saw fit to interchange data between the two most liberally.

The two Paulines are indeed two people!!!

Emily Pauline Lethbridge
Birth:  9th August 1858  - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death:  1st Jun 1921  - West Derby, Lancashire, England
Marriage:  25 Dec 1876 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Richard Henry Mills
F:Benjamin Anderson Lethbridge M: Jane Lambert

Pauline Jane Lydia (not Ludell) Vale (Vail, Vaile) Lethbridge was added for some reason.
Bapt: June 4 1868 Everton
Death: Dec 9 1895 Everton
Spouse: John Thomas Tollerfield 9 April 1873
Parents William Vail and Lydia Jane Hartley
_____________________________________________

On all census records available, John Thomas is recorded as being from Plymouth, Hampshire. Which had me doubting his link to the Dorset Tollerfiedsm despite an abundance of family trees would have me believe. Hence why I posted my question about geography.   
Long story short, he is actually from Postwick, Norfolk, Gloucestershire!

Now I can assure you that John Edward, Pauline, Margaret Jane, Annie Gertrude, Charles, Marion Gladys, Benjamin and  Harry Augustus are all Pauline Vale's children. My sources just have Pauline with no surname listed as mother. You are saying Lethbridge was listed so I am curious as to where that what listed. Remember the other Pauline married a Mr Mills!

To rule out the notion that Pauline Lethbridge became Pauline Vale, look at the date Ms Lethbridge married - Christmas Day in 1976. Ms Vale gave birth to her first son John Edward Tollerfield the April of that same year.

I don't have the answer as to why Lethbridge was attached to Vale. or how Vale became Luddel! 
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