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White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« on: Saturday 01 August 20 16:33 BST (UK) »
Would anyone know if an unborn child would be listed as an infant on a passenger list? I'm trying to locate the birthplace of a very close family friend who died many decades ago. His mother and his half sister were listed on the passenger list AND it listed an infant 3/4 (but not the sex). I cannot find any trace of our friends birth in the U.S. or Scotland where his mother returned to. His name was John Babchuck. His Mother was Helen (Nellie) Kirk and his Father was Peter Babchuck (Russian). I'm going around in circles and it's so very frustrating. Appreciate any suggestions, comments or help. Many thanks.
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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 August 20 16:42 BST (UK) »
Would anyone know if an unborn child would be listed as an infant on a passenger list?

No an unborn child would not be listed on a passenger list.

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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 August 20 16:48 BST (UK) »
Is this the family ?US Border Crossing Canada to USA -    Nellie Babchuck born 1892 Scotland - aged 27 years - arrival November 1919 - father James Kirk of Glasgow. Going to Whitefield. NH.
Annie Babchuck 4 years and 6 months.

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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 August 20 16:55 BST (UK) »
His mother and his half sister were listed on the passenger list AND it listed an infant 3/4 (but not the sex).

The 3/4 'person' is in the column for Female Infants
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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 August 20 16:59 BST (UK) »
1920 census Kimball Hill Road Whitefield New Hampshire. Boarding with the Blumenthal family.

date of US census - 5th January 1920

Peter Babchuck born Russia. aged 25 years. married. Labourer. Imm 1914. AL.
Nellie Babchuck born Scotland.aged 27 years. married. servant. Imm 1919.AL.

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Added I see your ancestry tree gives the birth of John Babchuck as 26 May 1920
26 May 1921 on the other anc tree.
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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 August 20 17:09 BST (UK) »
1920 census Kimball Hill Road Whitefield New Hampshire. Boarding with the Blumenthal family.

date of US census - 5th January 1920

Peter Babchuck born Russia. aged 25 years. married. Labourer. Imm 1914. AL.
Nellie Babchuck born Scotland.aged 27 years. married. servant. Imm 1919.AL.

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Many thanks Sandra. Thankfully, Iíve got plenty of information on the family.Having problem trying to locate where their son was born. Iím unsure if infant listed on passenger list is our friend John Babchuck or another child.



Added I see your ancestry tree gives the birth of John Babchuck as 20 May 1920
Foxall - Fenton, Staffs.
Gilchrist - St.John Canada - Paddington,London
Grubb - Thanet, Kent

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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 August 20 17:29 BST (UK) »
The listing on the border crossing in November 1919 was only for a female Annie 4 years and 6 months.
The UK return January 1921 on the last sheet deports from Portland  (refused leave to land) shows Annie aged 5 years and the 3/4 (could mean 8 months old) under the column  female  ???

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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 August 20 19:14 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately there are no birth records available in New Hampshire for the time frame you require.

https://ldsgenealogy.com/NH/Birth-Records.htm

https://ldsgenealogy.com/NH/Coos-County-Birth-Records.htm

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Re: White Star Line "CANADA" Arrival Date at Liverpool 31st Jan.1920
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 August 20 22:40 BST (UK) »
The listing on the border crossing in November 1919 was only for a female Annie 4 years and 6 months.
The UK return January 1921 on the last sheet deports from Portland  (refused leave to land) shows Annie aged 5 years and the 3/4 (could mean 8 months old) under the column  female  ???

Sandra
Thank you so much for your help. The infant was a girl! I canít believe I hadnít spotted it. How embarrassing. I will edit Johnís birth year back to 1921. Helen must have been pregnant when she returned to England. Once again many thanks for your help Sandra.

Foxall - Fenton, Staffs.
Gilchrist - St.John Canada - Paddington,London
Grubb - Thanet, Kent