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Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« on: Monday 03 August 20 19:12 BST (UK) »
Not sure where to put this request.  "Looking for Birth Certificate"

Way back in 2012 I posted a request for info on the Birth of Gertrude Goldstein.  We did'nt really come to any conclusion, but I have returned to this brick wall and have found some mislaid notes.

Her MC to Hyman Mendle 1913 in Liverpool states 1892.  Since found out their first child was  born in October 1913.   Conclusion Gertrude was pregnant and lied about her age so she would be 21.
The 1939 gives dob as 29/02/1895 and her DC in 1948 states 28/02/1895.  The 1911 Liverpool gives Birth St. Georges in the East, London 1893.
Her mother was Leah Goldstein (neč Labisky) and father David Goldstein (d.1910 Liverpool)
On GRO cannot find a birth using a span of 2 years either side with mother Labisky + variations of spelling.  Someone years ago someone wrote me and said there was a "Godallia" Goldstein b. 1893 1st. qtr St. George in the East, but did'nt give me mothers name.  Cannot find that one in the GRO.
I did find her brothers birth eventually in 1898 Whitechapel with mother Leibiski which means they were already in the UK.  No passengers lists found.
Complication also is from an Salford Aliens Register 1941 mother Leah states she came  to the UK in 1910.  Her previous Aliens Register in 1918 Liverpool was lost in the bombing in WWI. Never found another Census other than the 1911.

Sorry to be long winded, but any suggests appreciated.

Steve62
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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 August 20 21:42 BST (UK) »
GRO Online has a male birth registration for Godallia Goldstein mmn Slotkey, Mar qtr 1893 Whitechapel.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 August 20 22:10 BST (UK) »
Were there any other siblings?  No trace of the family in 1901 census?
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire


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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 August 20 22:18 BST (UK) »
There should be one other (unidentified) sibling it appears, who died young. The 1898 birth was of Lazarus.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 August 20 22:42 BST (UK) »
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Her mother was Leah Goldstein (neč Labisky) and father David Goldstein (d.1910 Liverpool)

Do you know what year they married?

Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 August 20 22:56 BST (UK) »
Lazarus born Whitechapel 1898
MMN    LEIBISKI

LOUISA MAUD
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:05 BST (UK) »
Do you think there were change of names going on

1898 sept
David Greenberg
To
Leah Mary Gabinsky

Other than above I can't find anything that fits

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:07 BST (UK) »
The 1911 Liverpool gives Birth St. Georges in the East, London 1893.

The 1911 census gives her age as 18, so more likely to have been born in 1892 and not had her 19th birthday by 2nd April.
So might have been a very small lie as regards age.

How do you know the maiden name of the mother?

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:28 BST (UK) »
What was her Father's job?