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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #9 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:29 BST (UK) »
Previous thread here with links to several older ones:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829371.0
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #10 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:43 BST (UK) »
3 out 4 Christian names match, a bonus child + surname downgraded from Goldstein to Silverstein:
Eva family in Devon and Cornwall.
Bowdidge family in Devon and Dorset.

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #11 on: Monday 03 August 20 23:50 BST (UK) »
Leah is the wrong age as compared to 1911, all the children claimed to be born abroad, but I was also going to suggest that one - but perhaps the other previous threads have discounted it?


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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 16:51 BST (UK) »
avm228   -  Thanks.  Checked for femails, never thought of a male with that name.  Unidentified sibling ?
Milliepede - Only sibling I know of is Lazarus from the 1911.  1911 states 20 years of marriage.  Therefore 1891 c.  Greenberg & Gabinsky 1898. - See reply to  "chempat" below.
chempat - MC in 1913 of Gertrude and Hyman Mendle states father David Goldstein deceased Shoemaker.  Mothers surname "Labisky".  A guy in Israel told me she married a Louis Kapatofsky in 1931 and the MC stated  father as "Labisky".  True?  Well remember the family telling me she and Louis had geese and chickens in the back yard and this was confirmed by the Israeli guy along with the story of the marriage and the upset in his family.

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 17:13 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census tells you how many children had been born to the marriage - hence the unidentified sibling.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 17:30 BST (UK) »
I am completely lost on this one now

Louise Maud
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 18:02 BST (UK) »
An unidentified child?  Checked GRO backwards and forwards with mothers' maiden name and not found anything.  Can only guess mother and father were married in Russia and child born there.  Unfortunately Gertrude remains a mystery unless she was born in Russia.  Obviously they were in the UK before 1898, but where remains another mystery.  How they got to the UK another mystery.
I don't think I am going to solve this "brickwall".  Only option now is to see Liverpool Electoral Rolls for Liverpool at the 1911 address and work backwards for parents David and Leah.  Both Anc. and FindMyPast do not have them in their Liverpool Rolls.  So when I can get to the UK eventually make a trip to Liverpool Records Office.
My regret is that I started this research in 2008 after my mother died and her siblings previously. Could kick myself now, but was'nt to be as they say.
Please accept my sincere thanks for all your help and please don't burn your brains out for this "Armour Plated Wall". 

My appreciation to you all.

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 18:16 BST (UK) »
Just a thought, if they were of Jewish decent would there be any baptisms or similar of  the children in England, or a naming ceremony

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Gertrude/Gertie Goldstein b. 1895
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 18:19 BST (UK) »
Thought of Jewish customs.  Again nothing. 
Thanks for the suggestion.

Steve62
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