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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 09 August 20 21:21 BST (UK) »
The 1851 census has a place of birth as Coventry.

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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 09 August 20 22:32 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage:
27th June 1837 St John the Baptist, Coventry
James Horton/en and Ann Brown.
Witnesses James Brown and Ann Horton

There is then this entry in 1841 1152/32/14

Transcribed as:
James Hortin 30 yrs butcher
Ann Hortin   30 yrs
William Parker 15 Yrs butcher
Alfred Parker 10 months

However there is no surname for Alfred so the occupiers may just have been recorded according to age.

Added - is this the same Alfred?
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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 09 August 20 22:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your advice and for taking the time to do searches. There's a lot to think about.

Checking the witnesses on the marriage certificates was a good idea that hadn't occurred to me, but weren't any help. None of the names linked up. I spent some time today tracking the women witnesses down to see if perhaps they were sisters with married names, but no.

And then I came across an Alfred Edwin Horton, born in Devon in 1842 (my Alfred had the Torquay marriage). His father Joseph was a musician (born in Warwickshire) as was the eldest son Joseph, and in the 1840 census, Joseph's father was living with them in East Stonehouse, Devon, and was called Thomas! Now, it's a big "What If?", but what if this Joseph is my Alfred's uncle, his father Thomas being brother to Joseph? The Warwickshire connection might link to the Ann Brown/Horton/Boddington that John and Heywood found.

My brain hurts. I'm going to sleep on all this and tomorrow have a look at what you've found, then start trying to make sense of it all. Thanks once again to everyone for your time, help and suggestions. 


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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 August 20 18:02 BST (UK) »
Just found the marriage allegation and bond for Richard Boddington and Ann Horton. Marriage date 19.10.1846 Richard aged 28 & Ann of full age a "widow".

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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 August 20 18:24 BST (UK) »
That Ann was likely the widow of James, the butcher, I think.

Also, Alfred was 19yrs in 1861 and 28yrs in 1871 so perhaps not born pre 1841 census.

Edited - correct age given for 1871.
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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 August 20 19:10 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage:
27th June 1837 St John the Baptist, Coventry
James Horton/en and Ann Brown.
Witnesses James Brown and Ann Horton

There is a birth and death of a James Horton in Coventry as below.

HORTON, JAMES       mmn  BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in THE CITY OF COVENTRY  Volume 16  Page 388

HORTON, JAMES       0 
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in OF THE CITY OF COVENTRY  Volume 16  Page 261

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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #15 on: Monday 10 August 20 21:16 BST (UK) »
John,

I see you added to my post (quoted)  :)

I presume that there was a child James born and died to that couple.

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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #16 on: Monday 10 August 20 21:32 BST (UK) »
There were 5 times as many Ortons in Leicester as Hortons.
Don't think that helps at all.

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Re: Help please! Ancestor who doesn't seem to have been born!
« Reply #17 on: Monday 10 August 20 21:58 BST (UK) »
Itís difficult isnít it.
The Boddingtons lived in Coventry in 1851; Ryton on Dunsmore in 1861 and Ann was back in Coventry in 1871.
So the family might have been a bit closer to Leicestershire 1851-1861.
I donít know the area.
I am just bothered that nothing else seems to fit  :-\
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