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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #18 on: Monday 10 August 20 07:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Lisa,
Another bit of advice I would give is to check out the 'Police Identification' file and possibly the album if you find a relevant name at the archives.  I would say this to anyone who had ancestors around the North Shields vicinity at that time.  The album contains very good quality photos of hundreds of some of the people who were convicted of a range of criminal offences.  I have found a very good 1911 photo of my Grandfather's cousin in there and also a one of my Great Grandfather's niece's husband as well as having found photos for other people's ancestors in the past.  I know on the one hand we shouldn't hope to find out that our ancestors were criminals but on the positive side if they committed crime in this area a photo of them might exist in the album which is huge and comes in a great big box.

The Police Identification file is usually kept on the shelves immediately behind the lockers and the hat & coat stand.  Any problems ask the staff.  This contains an index of names.  If you see a potential name you can order the album out. 

The reference you need to request this fascinating mugshots album out is:

DX1388/1

Under each name is the date of conviction.  With the date of conviction it is usually possible to find out more about the offence and person by looking in the Shields Daily News - copies on microfilm at North Shields local studies.  They do have hard copies too but understandably generally prefer people to use the microfilms. The newspaper reports are usually good for helping to clarify if the person might really be an ancestor.

You can use a camera to take photos of anything of interest after filling out a form and making payment - I can't remember exactly but I think it might have been around 9 for the day.  If you do want to do something like this (such as if you do find a photo of an ancestor and want a copy) it might be worth enquiring about cost before you go.  As I remember you can arrange for staff to take a photo from the Police album and email this to you but this costs a bit more.  It is also possible to print off records from microfilms very cheaply. 

Another thought about possibility of what may have become of Joseph is might he have been killed during the Great War?
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #19 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:03 BST (UK) »
Hi RTL the police criminal files may be of interest, my great Grandfather was apparently the black sheep of the family and was disowned by them, he liked a drink and a fight!
So I have been told! Other than this there very little known by living relatives as no one spent time with them.
Thanks for all your advise x
Thompson
Alderson
Cain
Foster
Forbes
Charlton
Diston
Henderson
Howdons

Descendants of..
Thompson/Alderson from Wallsend
Charlton/Henderson from Morpeth.

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #20 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:13 BST (UK) »
Looking at the Shields Daily News I think drinking and brawling seemed to be common pastimes in North Shields back then.  ;D  I am glad I didn't live back then - I think I would have been scared to venture out the door. ;)

http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=99&articleid=1627&displayorder=100

Also here is a CWGC link:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/

If Joseph was killed during the Great War he might be named on a local war memorial.  Perhaps check out the 'North East War Memorials Project'.  Just quickly I have noticed a J W Thompson on the St Cuthbert RC Church memorial in North Shields.  Although this may not be your ancestor.
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner


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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #21 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:26 BST (UK) »
On NEWMP there is an East Howdon 'J. Thompson' killed during the Great War on 4 November 1918.  No family info so a memoriam search might be the only way to try to find out if he was your ancestor.

Memoriams for this person might have been placed in the Evening Chronicle
- Newcastle City Library or Shields Daily News at North Shields library.

http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=99&articleid=1691&displayorder=3

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/263194/THOMPSON,%20J/
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #22 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:37 BST (UK) »
A Joseph Thompson (Northumberland Fusiliers) on the Tynemouth Roll of Honour ...

http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=11289

Apparently died from wounds 19 July
1916:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/67261/JOSEPH%20THOMPSON/

Inscription was 'In Loving Memory Of My Dear Son'
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #23 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:55 BST (UK) »
On NEWMP there is an East Howdon 'J. Thompson' killed during the Great War on 4 November 1918.  No family info so a memoriam search might be the only way to try to find out if he was your ancestor.

Memoriams for this person might have been placed in the Evening Chronicle
- Newcastle City Library or Shields Daily News at North Shields library.

http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=99&articleid=1691&displayorder=3

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/263194/THOMPSON,%20J/

Unfortunately this is a James Thompson. I haven't found a connection to my relatives but I have him in my one name study x
Thompson
Alderson
Cain
Foster
Forbes
Charlton
Diston
Henderson
Howdons

Descendants of..
Thompson/Alderson from Wallsend
Charlton/Henderson from Morpeth.

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #24 on: Monday 10 August 20 09:02 BST (UK) »
A Joseph Thompson (Northumberland Fusiliers) on the Tynemouth Roll of Honour ...

http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=11289

Apparently died from wounds 19 July
1916:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/67261/JOSEPH%20THOMPSON/

Inscription was 'In Loving Memory Of My Dear Son'

I'm going to check this one out, my grandad Joseph Thompson (his son) was sent to Industrial school in 1914 straight for buddle school. I wonder if this is when his dad was in service  ::)
Thompson
Alderson
Cain
Foster
Forbes
Charlton
Diston
Henderson
Howdons

Descendants of..
Thompson/Alderson from Wallsend
Charlton/Henderson from Morpeth.

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #25 on: Monday 10 August 20 09:28 BST (UK) »
Sometimes children were sent to Industrial schools and other places via the Tynemouth workhouse.

I would recommend checking for a possible comment(s) on son Joseph in the printed Workhouse Minutes volumes which are on a shelf at the North Shields local studies.  I could check for you when this reopens if you like.  Do you have a specific month date when he went to the industrial school?

Also, if he may have gone briefly into a workhouse children's home before the industrial school he might be in this record at the archives at Newcastle:

Children's Home Admissions & Discharges.
Reference:

PU.TY/2/5

This covers 1 April 1912 - 30 September 1915

Yes, I think it would be a good idea to check out that war record Joseph.  If a newspaper notice or memoriam can be found this might reveal if this one may or may not be your ancestor.
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Joseph Thompson Death
« Reply #26 on: Monday 10 August 20 09:44 BST (UK) »
http://northumbriaworldwarone.co.uk/northumbria-ww1-project-database/

Just checked this - I cannot seem to get in the 'view' option for full details but sadly he appears to have only been age 19 so not your Joseph it seems.
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner