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Beach girls and beach boys!
« on: Sunday 09 August 20 10:13 BST (UK) »
Hello fellow rootschatters,

I have a genealogical problem that perhaps someone might be able to help me with.  It is certainly a riddle that I cannot solve although the answer may be right under my nose and I can't see it!  :)

There were once three siblings with the surname Beach: Sarah, Rebecca, and Thomas.  I have no idea who their parents were, or when and where they were born.  These are the facts that I do know:

All three siblings were married within the parish church of St George in the East and were witnesses at each other's weddings.

Rebecca
Born ?
Married 1809 James Gower (dates unknown)
Nothing further is known.

Sarah (my ancestress)
Born c.1783/1784
Married 1814 William Tristram Carver (1785-?)
Member of the Wesleyan Chapel in St George in the East
Died 1850 aged 66 and buried within the Wesleyan section of St George in the East Cemetery.
Known children: William Tristram Carver and Martha Carver

Thomas
Born c.1784/1785
A Cork Cutter
Married 1814 Elizabeth Wright (c.1782-1847)
Died 1842 aged 58 and buried within the Wycliffe Congregational Chapel Burial Ground (WCCBC).
Known children: John Alexander Beach and Lydia Beach

I've spent ages trying to locate the parents of these three siblings so any help would be very welcome!

With kind regards,

Kirk

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 August 20 10:53 BST (UK) »
Do you have these as possibilities? Though can't find any records of all 3 with same parents - obviously this has been your finding! Spelling may differ but I am sure  you've tried wild cards.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3CZ-
Thomas Beach s/o William & Sarah baptised 1785 Finsbury

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:83N8-LZZM
Thomas Beech s/o Thomas & Sarah, St Leonards, Shoreditch  bap 15 Jun 1783

Land tax record 1782 & 1783 for Rebecca BEECH in St George the Martyr- maybe mother?

Baptism 7 Jan 1783 Rebecca Penelope BEECH d/o John Beech & Rebecca Cunningham @ St Katharine Coleman, City of London

Baptism Sarah Beatch 6 Jul 1783 St Leonards, Shoreditch d/o Joseph Beatch & Elisabeth

Baptism Sarah Beech 21 May 1782 St Luke, Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, Middlesex d/o John Beech & Sarah Beech
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 August 20 12:22 BST (UK) »
Thomas 1783 must have died as parents Thomas and Sarah baptized another Thomas 28 June 1784 born the 6th.St Leonard Shoreditch
Both times the parents lived at Newin/Newinn Yard.


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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 August 20 12:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you josie.
Yes, that's the tricky thing.  Sometimes I find a possibility but to be certain I have to find all three because the surname is relatively common. 
Sarah and Thomas died before the 1851 census when they might have said where they were born.  If Rebecca survived beyond that census we might narrow the field down
They are so jolly elusive!!
With kind regards,
Kirk

Thank you, amondg, I hadn't spotted that one.

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 August 20 13:34 BST (UK) »
13 Jan 1809 St George in the East
GAWER James  (X)    marr.  BEACH Rebecca
Witnesses  BEACH Thomas (X)   and  Sarah BEACH

25 Jul 1814 St Ann Limehouse
BEACH Thomas   marr.   WRIGHT Elizabeth (X)
Witnesses LARK James   and   BEACH Sarah

16 Oct 1814 St George in the East
BEACH Sarah   marr. CARVER William Tristram
Witnesses BEACH Thos   and   GOWER Rebecca

Thomas BEACH, married 1814, signs his name.
Thomas BEACH, witness 1809, does not sign.

Not the same Thomas?.   Thomas the witness is possibly the father?

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 August 20 13:49 BST (UK) »
Not much direct help, I'm afraid,  but have you thought that they could be cousins, not siblings?
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 August 20 22:23 BST (UK) »
Hello Wivenhoe,
That's a point I hadn't thought of.  I was presuming that he had not had the confidence to sign his name at that time.

Hello Igor,
Yes I have thought about that.  I also wonder if Rebecca was actually their mother having a second marriage.  I can't remember if it states that she is a spinster. in the marriage record

So many possibilities...

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 August 20 05:27 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Rebecca Beach 13 February 1809 St George in the East

James Gower bachelor to Rebecca Beach spinster both of the parish,
Witness Thomas Beach made his mark
Sarah Beach signed

Groom made his mark, bride signed.

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Re: Beach girls and beach boys!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 August 20 08:15 BST (UK) »

Ancestry London BDM

29 Jan 1822 St Ann Limehouse
BEACH Lydia (X)  marr.   POTTS Joseph
Witnesses CARVER W T  and   WILLIAMS E

The signatures for William Tristram CARVER, married 1814...and for William T CARVER, witness, 1822, look to be the same.

Is Sarah CARVER nee BEACH your direct ancestor  ie if this Sarah CARVER had died aged five....you would not be here?