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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 August 20 17:54 BST (UK) »
From these details  here https://archive.org/stream/rulewaterandits01tancgoog/rulewaterandits01tancgoog_djvu.txt:

Tom Ruth,erford, late blacksmith, Bonchester Bridge, was bom
^9th December 1832. His father was James Rutherford, and his
mother Betty Beattie. She was the daughter of Betty Stevenson,
whose father was John Stevenson, laird of Kirkstyle, and portioner
of Kirknow. Tom learned his business with Andrew Stevenson,
whom, on his death in 1871, he succeeded in the business. He
married Agnes Bums and they had a large family. She pre-
deceased him, dying in 1901. He died in Hawick in 1906. They
had issue : —


Andrew's death details from 1871 would let you confirm his parents' details. Have you viewed this? The earlier birth possibility we found for an Andrew son of George b. 1795, John Stevenson (laird) had a son George in 1760. Maybe that is the connection?

I have been reading a bit of the Rulewater and Its People. How lucky for you to have this amount of details on the extended family  :)

Do you have Betty Beattie's death? This might give you some clues on her father's name.

Monica


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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 16 August 20 03:09 BST (UK) »
From these details  here https://archive.org/stream/rulewaterandits01tancgoog/rulewaterandits01tancgoog_djvu.txt:

Tom Ruth,erford, late blacksmith, Bonchester Bridge, was bom
^9th December 1832. His father was James Rutherford, and his
mother Betty Beattie. She was the daughter of Betty Stevenson,
whose father was John Stevenson, laird of Kirkstyle, and portioner
of Kirknow. Tom learned his business with Andrew Stevenson,
whom, on his death in 1871, he succeeded in the business. He
married Agnes Bums and they had a large family. She pre-
deceased him, dying in 1901. He died in Hawick in 1906. They
had issue : —


Andrew's death details from 1871 would let you confirm his parents' details. Have you viewed this? The earlier birth possibility we found for an Andrew son of George b. 1795, John Stevenson (laird) had a son George in 1760. Maybe that is the connection?

I have been reading a bit of the Rulewater and Its People. How lucky for you to have this amount of details on the extended family  :)

Do you have Betty Beattie's death? This might give you some clues on her father's name.

Monica

Cant find anything regarding either Bettys Beattie's death,  Death details for Andrew say father was george stevenson and mother reads as Jean laidlaw as does that book, which is great, Andrew the great uncle of thomas Rutherford
The only issue now is that amazing book states Betty Stevenson is the daughter of John Stevenson the Laird,

To be Betty Stevenson to be the Grand mother of Tom, she needs to be the sister of Andrew

The plot thickens

Andi
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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 August 20 03:46 BST (UK) »
Hi think have it all almost sussed, this section of tree

Rulewater and its people is a massive history of my family, I knew about the book but only ever glanced at it, and thought it was going to be like a lot of books on Rutherfords.

The problem with Beattie is not quite resolved but I have managed to use the book to link into various families, Rutherford's, Beattie's, Stevenson, Amos's, Laidlaw's, and Glendinning.  Just one or two sticking points but if it was easy

Yes, a really good resource

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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Andi

It may be that the use of the word uncle was a little general. Andrew may have been a cousin of Betty Beattie's mother or some other connected relative.

Have you considered looking at the OPR birth or christening entry on SP for Betty Stevenson, daughter of John Stevenson? Siblings mentioned in the book also show on the index on SP. It may be you get lucky and there is some detail on the register for father John that let you firm up details a little more.

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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 16:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica

Found the baptism details for Betty, 1770 "baptised a child of John Stevenson of Kirk style named Betty"
I have the baptism of George 1760 "baptised a child of John Stevenson Portitioner of of Kirkstyle a child George"
I have Andrew Stevenson as the son of George Stevenson & Laidlaw?
I think looking at dates, certs, and the book, I'm jumping to a big conclusion, but does this makes Betty Stevenson the aunt of Andrew Stevenson, so Andrew cant be the uncle but a cousin of Betty Beattie.   

Am I missing something so easy here?   Its still not doing it for me

opinions?

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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 17:00 BST (UK) »
Monica

I think your correct I dont think Andrew is the great uncle, he is a cousin
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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 17:14 BST (UK) »
Hard to be more certain really, Andi  :) Maybe because of the age difference, uncle seemed a better alternative.

See from a/try family trees you have made a connection for an
Agnes, daughter of George and (Jane?) Laidlaw as a possible sister to Andrew. A marriage to a George Baptie would tie in well with the George Baptie showing in the household in 1841 with Andrew that we had www.scottishindexes.com/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79003053

I can't easily see anything for Betty Beattie after her likely 1851 census entry. Have you got your Thomas' marriage cert? Does it show mother as deceased or alive then?

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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 19:59 BST (UK) »
Ah...just reading a little more from that family bible. We mentioned George and wife Jane Laidlaw and their issue:


318 RULEWATER AND ITS PEOPLE

....George Stevenson,^ John''s eldest son, bom
in 1760, served his time in the blacksmith's shop with his father.
He married Jane Laidlaw, and by her had two sons and three
daughters. Of the daughters Agnes married Alexander Baptie,
and Jenny became Mrs. Amos at Dovesford in 1816. John, the
eldest son, died in 18^ ; and Andrew, the other brother, bom in
1795, succeeded him as blacksmith at Bonchester Bridge. Bom
and bred there, he worked as smith for many a day. He could
neither read nor write, his education at the parish school being
retarded by an impediment in his speech. To return to the
Baptie connection : — Alexander Baptie, who married Agnes
Stevenson, enlisted in the King^s Dragoon Guards and was at the
battle of Waterloo. At the close of the war he was discharged
on a small pension, and, being well educated, he obtained the post
'of schoolmaster at Falstone-on-Tyne. In this situation he
remained for some years. He went under the name of *01d
Sandy.** He had a son George who was a blacksmith to trade.
For some time he worked and assisted his uncle Andrew at the
Bridge. Greorge lived a long life, and was for many years in the
•employment of Mr. Veitch of Inchbonny. One of the thin^ he
most valued was his father^s Waterloo medal, which at his death
he left to the Jedburgh museum....

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Re: Rutherford/Beattie/Stevenson
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:04 BST (UK) »
Monica

Unfortunately Agnes and Thomas were married in 1853, there were no statutory records till 1855, so no wedding certificate just 2 sets of banns and parish records.  The only information is the death cert of thomas which states his mother as Beattie but no death date where I get 1901 from I dont know

This is a thing which annoys me, SP states record of marriage but in reality it tends to be banns of marriage

Andi,  I am so pleased I bought a copy of that "bible"


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