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What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« on: Monday 10 August 20 19:45 BST (UK) »
Is a traveller a salesman or someone from Romany descent? Thanks for your help!
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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 August 20 20:29 BST (UK) »
A Traveller, was aka Commercial Traveller, who sold goods, or took orders for goods, on production of samples, generally by calling on the consumers in their homes as a representative of his/her firm, and worked usually on a commission basis, or on a small salary and commission. There were also Advertising Travellers, who solicited advertisements, Book Travellers who canvassed schools, public offices, etc. for the sale of books on a subscription system, and Directory Travellers who collected information for directories.

Traveller is a modern euphemism for Gypsies

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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 August 20 20:55 BST (UK) »
What country is this? Not sure if UK census in 1820s listed occupations. :-\
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 August 20 21:10 BST (UK) »
What country is this? Not sure if UK census in 1820s listed occupations. :-\

I have part of an 1801 census which lists names and  occupations.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 August 20 21:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jebber;  always learning from Rootschatters!
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 August 20 22:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jebber;  always learning from Rootschatters!

I must admit it’s rare to find an early census with so much information.

 Other census pre 1841 vary and differ from place to place, some are simply head counts and others just name the head of household and number of occupants. It’s always worth looking for any earlier surviving census, when you do find one it’s surprising what you can work out from them.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 00:05 BST (UK) »
It might have meant that the person wasn't a resident. Was "traveller" in the occupation column?
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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 08:58 BST (UK) »
It could mean "A person without a permanent home or job who travels (usually on foot) from place to place, often begging, selling small goods, or searching for work; a vagrant" OED
It is just guesswork unless you can provide more information.
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Re: What is a Traveller in a census from the 1820's
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 09:38 BST (UK) »
And also to point out that many farm labourers moved around, following the requirements of agriculture - so my Kentish ancestors would find jobs at farms when the hops needed tying, or harvesting, or other regular jobs in the farming year.

This didn't mean they were Romany 'gypsies' as such, I have also seen them referred to as 'travelling in work'.
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex