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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 August 20 03:57 BST (UK) »
I perfectly understand that you want to get back to the parents, and I am trying to help you....  :)

What you should understand is that every bit of information - no matter how small - helps!

For example, still not clear where William died in 1867 -  what was his occupation? What is the source of the information - a death registration?

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His burial record in Deansgrange cemetery.
Hes single and it says 31 years old.
Labourer Occupation.
Cant access a death cert have to order one.
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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 August 20 03:59 BST (UK) »
On the tythe valuations for Co. Wexford, I see
4 William Bryan entries, two of which are probably the same person.
3 William Brien entries
0 William o'Brien.

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William Brien would more than likely be the name rather than O'Brien.
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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 August 20 04:26 BST (UK) »
Well, lets see:
Of the 4 William Bryans listed in the tythe valuations the first two are the same person - William Bryan, Esq in Ferns. So, not yours!
The next William Bryan is mistranscribed. The correct townland is Lower Ballinclay, and the correct parish is Whitechurch Glynn (not Whitechurch, which is a separate parish!), and has a holding of 6-3-0 (A-R-P)
Final Bryan in Ballredmond only has 0-0-31 (A-R-P). Clearly a labourer's holding, so he also can be ruled out.

Turning to the three William Briens, the latter two are house plots in the town of Enniscorthy, so they can be eliminated. The first entry, for the fellow in Upton, is for a farm of 8-0-20 (A-R-P), shared with others. 

So, you are left with one Bryan, and one Brien as possibilities.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens; CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter; COSGRAVE Castlebridge; CULLEN Lady's Island (LI); CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic; DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack; EDWARDS Wex; FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown; HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex; McGILL Litter; MORRIS Forth Commons; PIERCE LI; POTTS Bennettstown; REDMOND Ballygarrett; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit; SHERIDAN Monadurtlow; SINNOTT Wex; SMYTH Gerry/Oulart; WALSH Kilrane/Wex


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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 August 20 04:36 BST (UK) »
Turning to Griffith's Valuation in 1853:
William Brien of Lower Ballinclay is still there - No. 1 in the listing. (Note spelling change).
William Brien of Upton is gone. The landlord for the townland is listed as Loftus A. Bryan.

As Elizabeth Brien, age 50 on the 1901 census, is said to be born in Co. Dublin, it seems to indicate that the family had already left Co. Wexford by 1853. That argues in favor of the Upton location and against Ballinclay.

Upton is in the parish of Kilmuckridge. You can search online indices if you have subscription access, or just browse through the register pages yourself on the NLI website.

BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens; CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter; COSGRAVE Castlebridge; CULLEN Lady's Island (LI); CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic; DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack; EDWARDS Wex; FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown; HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex; McGILL Litter; MORRIS Forth Commons; PIERCE LI; POTTS Bennettstown; REDMOND Ballygarrett; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit; SHERIDAN Monadurtlow; SINNOTT Wex; SMYTH Gerry/Oulart; WALSH Kilrane/Wex

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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 August 20 04:46 BST (UK) »
In first post, OP mentions "all of kids marriage certs". That seems to indicate that there is at least one more, in addition to Catherine in 1870?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens; CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter; COSGRAVE Castlebridge; CULLEN Lady's Island (LI); CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic; DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack; EDWARDS Wex; FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown; HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex; McGILL Litter; MORRIS Forth Commons; PIERCE LI; POTTS Bennettstown; REDMOND Ballygarrett; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit; SHERIDAN Monadurtlow; SINNOTT Wex; SMYTH Gerry/Oulart; WALSH Kilrane/Wex

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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 August 20 10:57 BST (UK) »
In first post, OP mentions "all of kids marriage certs". That seems to indicate that there is at least one more, in addition to Catherine in 1870?

Wexflyer.
I am baffled and astonished at all that information you have dug up.
I am extremely grateful you took that time and effort to narrow it down to the said place I really am thank you a million times.
And yes as far as I'm aware there was three girls Catherine Bridgit and Elizabeth then Patrick and William Jnr.

I will look deeper into that location and again I cant thank you enough for the effort and details.

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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 August 20 16:29 BST (UK) »
An important point.  The analysis I did relies on one thing: that William was a farmer. That he was such seems to be from just one marriage registration. Does any other document confirm this - another marriage cert (your use of plural certs)?

My concern is that "social promotion" was not unheard of in those days, any more than in our time. In particular, the 1898 death cert says he was a steward, not a farmer.  Perhaps a later occupation, but....

But if William was really a labourer or a steward while in Wexford, then all bets are off, and my "analysis" fails. Many/most labourers don't appear at all in the tythe valuations, and of course three of those I eliminated would be relevant again.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens; CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter; COSGRAVE Castlebridge; CULLEN Lady's Island (LI); CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic; DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack; EDWARDS Wex; FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown; HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex; McGILL Litter; MORRIS Forth Commons; PIERCE LI; POTTS Bennettstown; REDMOND Ballygarrett; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit; SHERIDAN Monadurtlow; SINNOTT Wex; SMYTH Gerry/Oulart; WALSH Kilrane/Wex

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Re: William and Elizabeth O'Brien/ Brien Wexford
« Reply #16 on: Friday 21 August 20 00:08 BST (UK) »
That is very true yes.
It does say steward.
On his daughter Bridget Donnelly marriage cert he is a farmer.
On his mother daughter Kate Melee wedding he is a farmer.
On his son Patrick's wedding he is a farmer also. That is as far as 1882.
It doesn't say if hes deceased or not on any of them.

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