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Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« on: Saturday 15 August 20 07:15 BST (UK) »
According to the Iowa Armed Forces Grave Registrations on Family Search, Joseph Kirby was born on 14 Feb 1836 in Ireland and died on 24 April 1896 in Utica, Van Buren, Iowa.

Many Ancestry trees have his baptism date as 13 Jan 1836 in Hospital, Limerick, Ireland, the son of John Kirby and Hanora Riordan.

Obviously these birth dates don't match. Are they the same person or were there two Joseph Kirbys?

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England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 August 20 10:31 BST (UK) »
you can see his baptism registration here for yourself, assuming the trees found the right one:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632730#page/173/mode/1up

I wouldn't worry about the discrepancy in dates. You don't know what the source was for the gravesite information. If it was he himself, he might have just picked a date at some point and stuck with it. Many people didn't know or remember exactly when they were born.

Based on the other Irish in America I've seen, I'm surprised he came that close.

There are no civil registrations for Catholic births in Ireland until 1864, and I don't think the Protestant records started much earlier.

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 August 20 10:41 BST (UK) »
p.s.

And based on the usual reliability of trees on ancestry, I'd like to see more confirmation that he was from Limerick, at least, and, even better, from that area*. Or find his parents' names on an American record. Some tree owner might have grabbed the record for the Joseph Kirby baptized nearest to the date on his gravesite and "ran" with the information.

There are lots of areas of Ireland where baptism records don't exist for that period, and he could have been from any of those areas.

Sometimes a county biographical history of where he settled will have that info, if he was relatively prominent and/or paid the publisher to include his biography :).


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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 August 20 13:17 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the feedback, oldohiohome. I'd like to find some confirmation too that he was from Hospital, Limerick or his parents' names but I don't have access to US records. I do have a Joseph Kirby from Limerick who died in Victoria, Australia in 1907, born about 1835, who could be the son of John Kirby and Honora Rioardan, so I was hoping to be able to eliminate the one who died in Iowa!
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 August 20 13:32 BST (UK) »
Perhaps 13 January 1836 Hospital Limerick was the only link ancestry gave in Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers - people pluck at any information without checking it out.

This must be the record you referred to :-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2QV-L61H

Not sure any of those records give a birth date ???

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 August 20 15:48 BST (UK) »
Cemetery Burial records

http://iagenweb.org/chickasaw/cemetery/shcemetery.html


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Did Joseph have a brother Patrick who also immigrated to Iowa?

New Hampton Courier
Thursday, April 30th, 1896

EDITED- Wrong link before
Clip: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ptr/

Saturday Gazette
Saturday, May 2nd, 1896

Clip: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ptm/

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Obits for Joseph Kirby

New Hampton Courier
Thursday, April 30th, 1896

Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ptn/

New Hampton Tribune
Tuesday, April 28th, 1896

Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pto/

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 August 20 15:49 BST (UK) »
This appears to be the brother Patrick Kirby mentioned in the clippings, living in Chickasaw County from 1860-1880.

1860 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M82X-5TV

1870 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJG-N5B

1880 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD2M-12L

According to a FS Tree attached to one of these records. Patrick died in 1899. His parents were John Kirby & Hanora Riordan

FS Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBPV-76J

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/52948020

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 August 20 16:18 BST (UK) »
Patrick's obit in 1899 mentions another brother D.R. Kirby of Souix City, formerly of Lawler (Chickasaw County).


New Hampton Gazette
Thursday, February 23rd, 1899

Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ptp/

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This appears to be him , Daniel R Kirby.

1870 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJP-GMD

1880 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD29-3MH

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9G9-7BF

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG9T-7CM

A tree at FS has his full name as Daniel Riordan Kerby

FS Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L5Y7-6K9

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144673681

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Re: Joseph Kirby born 1836 died 1896 Iowa - birthdate?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 August 20 16:41 BST (UK) »
It looks like Daniel & his brother Patrick(Patt) immigrated in 1850. They departed from the port Limerick.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDX5-6HV

Passenger Lists: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27PD-KFR