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Offline GAYNORI

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Re: Census 1870's
« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 August 20 16:59 BST (UK) »
I've sent you the copy, Appears they had to get a dispensation (?) and then some figures which I am not to sure what they mean.
What are your thoughts on this.
Still looking for a Mary Pender & Patrick Dunning rather than the other way around lol

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:09 BST (UK) »
Has anyone got tips on how to decide which one (person) is yours.

As there are no census and marriage (civil) don't start (I've just googled this) until 1864 :) how do you determine between births of a year or so which is the correct birth/parents?
All tips appreciated

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:17 BST (UK) »
As I understand it dispensation was because of 2nd & 3rd degrees of consanguinity.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:29 BST (UK) »
I was no wiser so had to google it lol :-[

So they were probably 2nd/3rd cousins>
Hope I'll be able to find the common ancestor down the line!
Thanks for explaining.

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Re: Census 1870's
« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:30 BST (UK) »
I think 2nd degree is a bit closer...though different religions/cultures/governments have their own definitions.

Maybe look for Dunning/Pender/Prendergast baptisms in the same parish ca 1820...you'll need to browse Killenaule | Microfilm 02494 / 02 at https://registers.nli.ie/
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Census 1870's
« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:32 BST (UK) »
so probably 1st cousins?? That would be better lol

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 August 20 23:42 BST (UK) »
Pender and Prendergast could be the same. 
I know some Prendergasts and I've often heard them being called Pender.

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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 10:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks, it is the one and only marriage for Patrick & Mary around the correct time/place.

Josey -  I found a great chart showing 1/2/3 degree so fully understand now. This might help determine who the parents were and how they were related to so very helpful.

Irish family history is so difficult.

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 11:11 BST (UK) »
Josey I found two baptisms on FindMyPast both right time (?)

First name(s)   Mary Last name   Prendergast
Baptism date   09 Sep 1821
Parish   Templemore
Alternative parish names   Clonmore, Killea, Kilvenoge, Kilvenogue, Templemore and Killea, Templemore, Killea and Clonmore Diocese   Cashel and Emly
Father's first name(s)   Hugh Father's last name   Prendergast
Mother's first name(s)   Cath  Mother's last name   Shanahan

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First name(s)   Mary Last name   Prendergast
Baptism date   05 Jan 1823
Parish   Cashel Diocese   Cashel and Emly
Father's first name(s)   James Father's last name   Prendergast
Mother's first name(s)   Ellen Mother's last name   Mahony

I think these are the only two I could find that fit the time period Is this the same as the register you suggested "Killenaule" ? or should I carry on searching? Thanks
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