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Hi all,

I have been doing my family tree for years and quite well versed in my area (North West) so not sure if this is due to family being out of area that I am struggling but could really use a 2nd pair of eyes on the situation.

Annie Chant (b. 1881 Manchester) has on the baptism/census/wedding certificate her dad as 
Henry Chant (b? Somerset) ''married'' to
Mary Ann Poole (b. 1843 Long Ashton, Somerset) - On the census she is often listed as 'Mary Ann P Chant' or Mary Anne Poole Chant' leading me to believe they married.

They had children in somerset & Gloucester prior to coming to Manchester.
The 2 children they had in Manchester (Annie & Florence) both have mothers maiden name as Butcher - not Poole.

I cannot find a marriage for Mary Ann Poole & Henry Chant
or Mary Ann Butcher & Mr Poole (prior to marrying Chant)

I ordered Mary Ann Chant's death cert. and it doesn't list a maiden name.

The Chant children have all been baptized as young children rather than baby/toddler once they moved to Manchester (unsure if this means anything in the grand scheme of things - just unusual to not baptize early on)
At a total loss as to who Annie Chant's parents actually are...or why they would move so far to Manchester.

A rough guess would be Mary Ann Butcher married Mr Poole, had children and then married Chant - changing her childrens surnames to suit.

Does anyone have any ideas or a point in the right direction?
TIA   
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:05 BST (UK) »
Marriages Jun qtr 1873   
CHANT    Henry       
POOLE    Mary Ann       
Clifton    6a   274   
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:10 BST (UK) »
Henry Chant - Father William Chant
Marital status   Widowed
Marriage    21 May 1873 at St Andrew, Clifton, Bristol
Mary Ann Poole - Single - Father William Poole
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:17 BST (UK) »
Image for the marriage is available on Ancestry - details as given by rosie99.  Both fathers given as William, and both Labourer.  J and Margaret Ralph are the witnesses.

Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:18 BST (UK) »
CHANT, DAVID       mmn POOLE 
GRO Reference: 1873  Dec Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 71

CHANT, SUSAN       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1876  March Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61
 
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:27 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for the quick responses!

I'm glad you've been drawn to the same thing I have as I've seen that marriage between Poole & Chant before but can't figure out how the 'Butcher' element comes into it so was reluctant to say with certainty this is them. Especially as he is listed as widowed - seems strange she wouldn't be listed as the same if previously a Butcher.
The maiden name on Annie Chant's birth certificate definitely is Butcher - however on the census she is the daughter of Mary Ann P Chant and Hy Chant (assume this is Henry).


CHANT, DAVID       mmn POOLE 
GRO Reference: 1873  Dec Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 71

CHANT, SUSAN       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1876  March Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61
 

I'm unsure what these would relate to?

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:33 BST (UK) »
CHANT, DAVID       mmn POOLE 
GRO Reference: 1873  Dec Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 71

CHANT, SUSAN       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1876  March Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61
 

I'm unsure what these would relate to?

They are their birth registrations from the GRO website.

Registrations for other children
William in 1877 MMN Poole
Florence in 1880 MMN Butcher

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:36 BST (UK) »
CHANT, DAVID       mmn POOLE 
GRO Reference: 1873  Dec Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 71

CHANT, SUSAN       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1876  March Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61
 

I'm unsure what these would relate to?

They are their birth registrations from the GRO website.

Registrations for other children
William in 1877 MMN Poole
Florence in 1880 MMN Butcher



Sorry I see what you mean now. That just deepens my confusion as the maiden name flits between Poole and Butcher. So as she was 'single' and not widowed on the suspected marriage certificate why would she be switching between 2 names?
Perhaps her mother was remarried and is using a step-fathers name? 

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 August 20 17:40 BST (UK) »
Perhaps you need to purchase one of the birth certificates - your choice which one - to see what it says.   :-\
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY