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Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« on: Tuesday 18 August 20 19:42 BST (UK) »
I’ve reached a brick wall trying to find my g-g grandfather, his name is William Thomas Grace ( poss Thomas William)
I have located his marriage record to Rose Cooper in on 22/3/1886 at Holy Trinity church in Chelsea and he is named on his children’s birth, baptism and marriage records but as he never appears on a census with the rest of the family I am unable to find a date/ year of birth.
He was a groom and later coachman in domestic service so presumably lived elsewhere but I cannot find anyone that fits the bill! Rose is a widow on the 1911 census but I’m again unable to locate a relevant death record.
Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated!
Fox - South London
Grace - Chelsea
Rolfe - Shallbourn
Griffith - Merionethshire

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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 22:59 BST (UK) »
What's the last date you have for him?
Last child's birth?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:45 BST (UK) »
On the 1886 marriage cert he is just William Grace occ groom - father was Thomas occ coachman

Both William & Rose are just shown as full age
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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:45 BST (UK) »
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:35MX-S3Z

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HH-HHB

GRACE, THOMAS  WILLIAM mmn COOPER 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 370

GRACE, EDITH  BERTHA mmn COOPER 
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 372

GRACE, ALICE mmn COOPER possible death Mar 1893
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 409

GRACE, JAMES mmn COOPER 
GRO Reference: 1894  D Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 362

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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:47 BST (UK) »
1901 Rose is aged 39 & a charwoman b Belgravia - shown as married but I suspect they are separated given her occupation
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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:51 BST (UK) »
1881 has a William Grace b 1868 Corsley Wood Surrey occ stableman groom.  Father Thomas has same occ
RG11 Piece 800 Folio 64 Page 25
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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:55 BST (UK) »
1881 has a William Grace b 1868 Corsley Wood Surrey occ stableman groom.  Father Thomas has same occ
RG11 Piece 800 Folio 64 Page 25

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q277-GZKW

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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:56 BST (UK) »
Possible death??

Deaths March qtr 1903   
Grace    William    35    Edmonton    3a   257


IGNORE - matches a married man in 1901
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Re: Brick wall help! William Thomas Grace
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:57 BST (UK) »
Birth?

GRACE, WILLIAM  THOMAS mmn WOOTTEN 
GRO Reference: 1867  J Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 95

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