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Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:29 BST (UK) »
I have a Mary Steven who married into my late husbands birth family. It was the second marriage for both parties in 1917 taking place in  New Zealand. All I need is Mary's date of birth. Am i right in thinking  Agnes's birth would have the most information? Then I can find out when the family came to New Zealand
Warning The following i have found on family trees on Ancestry.com.
1851 and 1861 Census living in Kilmarnock.
A number of trees have this family as
Thomas Steven - Tailor
Agnes Wilson b abt 1819
Children; Thomas, Margaret, Mary, William, Agnes, Jean, and Marion.
Some trees have dates of birth but no sources.
Mary b 1846,1847,1848 Kilmarnock
William 1850 Scotland
Agnes 9 April 1855
Jean 22 Oct 1857
Marion 1860
What i have found
 On S.P a birth for Marion 22 May 1860 confirming Parent's names born Kilmarnock.
On F.S a marriage for Marion Steven to Robert Smith 1877 New Zealand.
Any help steering me in the right direction to confirm Mary's Birth would be most welcome as I am not up to date with Scottish Places
Thank you for reading.
Carol
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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 August 20 23:41 BST (UK) »
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I have a Mary Steven who married into my late husbands birth family. It was the second marriage for both parties in 1917 taking place in  New Zealand

Are you saying that Mary could be Marion b 1860?  She would be 57 in 1917 so does that tie in with either her marriage cert or her death cert?

If she was previously married to Robert Smith - would she have remarried as Smith not Steven?  Any info on the 1917 marriage cert to support her fathers name or her previous married name?

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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 00:00 BST (UK) »
Mary and Marion are 2 Seperate children.
Mary married a Henry Garron in New Zealand and was widowed. William Thornhill a widower married Mary Garron nee Steven 12 Oct 1917. They had no children from the second marriage. They both died in 1927. The Thornhill family are the birth family i have been tracing. I just need Mary's date of birth to tidy that part of the tree. The only Birth I could find on S.P belonged to Marion which confirmed the parents and place of birth according to Ancestry trees.  As she married in New Zealand I hope I am on the right track to pin down Mary.
Trying to go sideways to end back at Mary.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. It is most appreciated
Carol (back in Lockdown but not as much as Auckland)
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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 00:07 BST (UK) »
I am waiting for her Intention to marry Certificate but with Lockdown restrictions coming back in and our Archives looker upper employed I have to be patient.
Don't want to pay for a death cert at this time as she is not family. Not cheap here.
Carol
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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 00:56 BST (UK) »
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Mary b 1846,1847,1848 Kilmarnock

If she is the Mary who married in 1917 - she was in her 70's - would that correspond with what you know about William Thornhill?

If it is her - then you are looking for a birth pre-civil registration and nothing is showing on Scotlands People in Ayrshire

The Steven/Garron marriage was 1880.  Henry was born 1851 Berkshire and immigrated 1874

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q24V-VH7Q

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG6V-5P68

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FSY2-M4C
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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 02:46 BST (UK) »
You have everything correct.
Mary Steven Garron Thornhill is buried with her family.
All records for this plot; Block/Plot: General - 20 / 128
GARRON COLIN FRANCIS 11 Weeks Eastern Cemetery Male 114 Liddel Street bur 23 Sept 1952
GARRON HILDA MAY Years Eastern Cemetery Female bur 23 April 1929
GARRON MARY Adult Eastern Cemetery Female bur 25 Feb 1907 daughter of Mary/Henry
GARRON NORMAN HENRY 6 Weeks Eastern Cemetery Male 114 Liddel Street bur 18 June 1951
Mary was buried 2 July 1927

Her first Husband is not far away
Garron Henry- bur 21 March 1916 Block 20/131

William Thornhill is buried in  Block/Plot: General - 20 / 129 4 Feb 1927.

I have just noticed that they have the same Funeral Director so will send them an email if they are still around.

I just want Mary's Birth but the census may have to do.
Thanks for your help
Carol


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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 07:37 BST (UK) »
Am i right in thinking  Agnes's birth would have the most information?
If Agnes was born in Scotland, yes, her birth certificate will contain more information than any of her siblings' birth certificates.

Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 10:08 BST (UK) »
Yes, Agnes was born in Scotland according to Ancestry trees. They have a birth date of 9 April 1855 for her. But I cannot find her on S.P.
Place of birth is said to be Kilmarnock, Ayrshire.
Carol
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Re: Looking for Steven Family Kilmarnock
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 August 20 10:54 BST (UK) »
Agnes birth 1855, Seems to have been registered at Galston.
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