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Tweedie at Rosskeen
« on: Friday 21 August 20 23:41 BST (UK) »
Good morning,

During the 1830s, my Tweedie ancestors lived near to Rosskeen.

Although they had more children, I have only been able to find one baptism: James Tweedie in 1833.

The priest of Rosskeen has written that the family lived 'at the Ness' (if I am reading it correctly) but I am not sure what this means.  Is it another name for nearby Alness?  Or does it mean that they live close to the water?

Is any one able to help me out with these?

With kind regards,

Kirk

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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 August 20 02:47 BST (UK) »
Kirk,

It says Alness https://maps.nls.uk/view/216442731 from Rosskeen landward side of Black Isle where it say Cromarty.  The entry also says he was a pensioner.

And it is the Parish Clerk who makes the entry the "Minister" does the talking.

As far as more children are concerned, I didn't see any in SP but I'll assume you have them from the census.  He may not have had them baptized or the records are lost.

Don

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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 August 20 03:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you Don.

Alness makes sense so I'm glad you agree.

Thanks also for putting me right on the way the records were prepared.  I appreciate that.

As an aside: Yes James was a pensioner of the Lord Clive (East India Company) Fund.  He had spent a lot of time on the Isle of St Helena and the family legend is that he met Napoleon which could well be so given that they were there at he same time...  :)

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Kirk


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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 August 20 09:48 BST (UK) »
Alness isn't in Rosskeen parish but does extends as far west as the Alness river, maybe this is the ness referred to or possibly that point used by the Invergordon ferry would fit better.

https://www.electricscotland.com/history/articles/rosskeen.htm

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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 August 20 10:23 BST (UK) »
Although they had more children, I have only been able to find one baptism: James Tweedie in 1833.
There is a baptism of Ann Blyth Tweedie, daughter of James Tweedie and Isabella Ross, in Edinburgh on 7 August 1828.

What other children did they have, and how do you know about them? Have you found the family in a census?

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the family lived 'at the Ness' (if I am reading it correctly) but I am not sure what this means.  Is it another name for nearby Alness?  Or does it mean that they live close to the water?
A ness is a headland, but if James was baptised in the parish of Rosskeen and the parents' residence is just 'the Ness', not 'the ness in the parish of xxx', then the place you are looking for is in the parish of Rosskeen, or very close to its boundary.

The boundary between the parish of Rosskeen and the parish of Alness follows the Alness River, so the larger part of the town of Alness, east of the river, is actually in the parish of Rosskeen (very confusing!). So I think it is possible that 'the Ness' in this context does indeed mean Alness. See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=57.69958&lon=-4.26037&layers=5&b=1 (you may need to zoom in).

BTW Rosskeen and Alness are not on the Black Isle; they are on the opposite (northern) shore of the Cromarty Firth.

You can read about both parishes at https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/county/Ross%20and%20Cromarty
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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 August 20 12:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you Skoosh.  That an interesting possibility and upon reflection does make sense.

Thank you Forfarian.  Yes I was reading that about part of Alnes being the parish of Rosskeen although I have to say that the record does read 'at the ness'.  I have attached some examples from the register page as there were a lot of babies born 'at the Ness'. 

Ann Blyth Tweedie (also known as Margaret Ann Blyth Tweedie) is my direct ancestor.  The other children were
David (born c.1830)
Of him I know only the information I got from the 1841 and 1851 census

James (b.1833)
The subject of this message.  He married in 1853 and then disappears

John (born c.1836)
He died 1856 in Morocco.

and Janet (born c.1838).
Of her I know only the information I got from the 1841 and 1851 census

Then after they left Scotland for London there was

Peter (Also known as Peter Ross) born 1841
Only known from information in the 1851 and 1871 census.  Then he disappears although his wife died in 1925.

William (born c.1842)
Only known from the 1851 census

and Isabella (1847-1848)

The brothers were a racketty lot in their youth, often in trouble with the law  James, John, and Peter were all put into the navy after spending time in jail for various thefts in the 1840s and 1850s.

The problem for me is that James Senior died in 1851 (just prior to the 1851 census), his wife Isabella died of the cholera in 1854 and after that all is fractured and I only know about my own line.

With kind regards,

Kirk

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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 August 20 14:04 BST (UK) »
Peter (Also known as Peter Ross) born 1841
Only known from information in the 1851 and 1871 census.  Then he disappears although his wife died in 1925.
Peter Tweedie, aged 22, unmarried, born Mile End, London, is in the 1861 census on board a tender to Royal Navy vessels at South Queensferry in the 1861 census. So it looks as if he served with the Royal Navy, in which case there could be service records that might tell you what became of him.
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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 August 20 14:08 BST (UK) »
Alness isn't in Rosskeen parish but does extends as far west as the Alness river, maybe this is the ness referred to or possibly that point used by the Invergordon ferry would fit better.
There was also a ferry from the Rosskeen side of the Alness River across the Cromarty Firth. See https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400153 - you may need to zoom in. Maybe The Ness was where that ferry left from?
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Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 August 20 16:03 BST (UK) »
The Ness was the old name for Invergordon/Inverbreakie, poor links, just Google these sites!

invergordon.info/OurHistory

www.invergordon.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=342785

Some interesting info' on the Alness Ferry,

https://www.kirkmichael.info/Alness_Ferry_and_the_Stewart_dynasty_of_Ferrymen_and_Farmers.html

Bests,
Skoosh.