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Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 12:20 BST (UK) »
Is this title associated with a geographic placename.

Francis North, 1st Earl of Guilford
 b. 13 April 1704, d. 4 August 1790
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2141.htm#i21403
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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 August 20 12:49 BST (UK) »
Is this title associated with a geographic placename.

Francis North, 1st Earl of Guilford
 b. 13 April 1704, d. 4 August 1790
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2141.htm#i21403
 

Yes, but it is not ownership. In the normal course of events he would have lived, or worked, or did charitable things for Guildford. The link of a title and the ownership of the land had been broken hundreds of years before that. 

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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 August 20 12:54 BST (UK) »
I presume from TNA documents that it is Guilford (Kent).  Not Guildford, Surrey
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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 August 20 13:28 BST (UK) »
I presume from TNA documents that it is Guilford (Kent).  Not Guildford, Surrey

Rosie, Many thanks for your discoveries.
That indeed was question was worrying me [Kent or Surrey] but your TNA link seems to confirm the spelling and the Kent location.  [Interesting article on this Kent Coalfield]

The OS map shows the North Downs Way running through the Waldershare property.
Oak Avenue, Waldershare, CT15 5LS
https://www.bing.com/maps/?mkt=en-gb&v=2&cp=51.175~1.245&lvl=12&sp=Point.51.175_1.245_Coldred&sty=s

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1000259
confirms inhertitance by marriage for Francis Ist Earl Guilford [mis-spelt Guildford]

The Waldershare estate was purchased by Sir Henry Furness in 1705. The red-brick house, whose design has been attributed to William Talman (Harris 1719) had been built by 1712 and the surrounding formal grounds laid out as shown in a view by J Kip published in 1719 (Harris). The estate passed by marriage to Francis, first Earl Guildford in the mid C18 and has remained with this family although during the C20 the mansion was sold and divided into flats. The house was gutted by fire in 1913 and restored by Sir Reginald Blomfield. The site remains (2001) in divided private ownership.
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https://www.struttandparker.com/properties/waldershare-house
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CARNEGIE,
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HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
MABEY, Dorset
O'HANLON
POPE, London docklands,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 August 20 13:47 BST (UK) »
What a lovely house,  I wonder how many apartments it is split into  :-\.   
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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 August 20 14:24 BST (UK) »
Extracts from "The Complete English Peerage, Vol 2, Frederick Barlow, pub. 1772/73"

THE EARL of GUILFORD

1728 - married Lucy, daughter of George, earl of Halifax (died 1734)
sometime between 1734-1737 - married Elizabeth, relict of George, lord viscount Lewisham, eldest son of William, earl of Dartmouth
1751 - married Mary, relict of Lewis Watson, earl of Rockingham

Chief Seats.] Waldershare, near Dover, Kent; and Wroxton Abbey, in Oxfordshire


S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 August 20 14:38 BST (UK) »
Extracts from "The Complete English Peerage, Vol 2, Frederick Barlow, pub. 1772/73"

THE EARL of GUILFORD

1728 - married Lucy, daughter of George, earl of Halifax (died 1734)
sometime between 1734-1737 - married Elizabeth, relict of George, lord viscount Lewisham, eldest son of William, earl of Dartmouth
1751 - married Mary, relict of Lewis Watson, earl of Rockingham

Chief Seats.] Waldershare, near Dover, Kent; and Wroxton Abbey, in Oxfordshire

On 17 June 1728 he married Lady Lucy Montagu (d. 7 May 1734), the daughter of George Montagu, first earl of Halifax. Following the death of his first wife he married Elizabeth the widow of George Legge, Viscount Lewisham, and the only daughter of Sir Arthur Kaye, bt, of Woodsome, Yorkshire, on 24 January 1736. A third marriage, on 13 June 1751, to Katherine, the widow of Lewis Watson, second earl of Rockingham, and the daughter of Sir Robert Furnese, brought him the house and estate of Waldershare in Kent. He was created earl of Guilford on 8 April 1752.
(from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography)

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Re: Placename: GUILFORD? Earls of Guilford
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 August 20 14:44 BST (UK) »
Just about to post -

"An act for vesting certain undivided parts or shares belonging to the Honourable John St John, an infant ..." - author Great Britain Parliament, 1765

AND WHEREAS the said Robert Furness died the fourteenth day of March one thousand seven hundred and thirty two, leaving issue by Ann Balaam, his first wife, a daughter named Ann Furness, who afterwards married with the Honourable John St John, Esquire, afterwards Lord Viscount St John; and leaving issue by the Honourable Arabella Watson, his second wife, his said son Henry Furness, who then became Sir Henry Furness, and Katherine Furness, now Countess of Guilford, the wife of the right Honourable Francis, Earl of Guilford.
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.