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Offline Suz777Gall

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Occupation:Soldier
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 16:42 BST (UK) »
My ggf's marriage certificate notes he was a soldier in 1915. I think he joined after 1911 due to the census. Any ideas on how to locate any records? The only true fact I know is his father was Bernard Kelly. The family had no idea he was in the service and he never talked about with his children. I'm not sure if he fought in WW1 or another conflict within Ireland.

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Re: Occupation:Soldier
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 August 20 17:52 BST (UK) »

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 August 20 17:58 BST (UK) »
Yep that would my ggf, John Kelly. Bernard was his first son. So maybe this record narrows down the time he served. 1912-1918? What are your thoughts?


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Re: Occupation:Soldier
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 August 20 18:41 BST (UK) »
Suz - welcome to Roots Chat. I am not sure what you mean when you say you think he joined after 1911 'because of the census'. Do you mean he is on the 1911 Ireland Census please?

If we knew his birth year it will be possible to see if his WW1 Army records have survived (not all the records have survived as many were burnt during enemy action in WW2. It is probable that he served in WW1.

If he joined up before WW1 then Dublin Military Archives may hold some records for him. You can contact them here;

http://www.militaryarchives.ie/contact-us

I have used them in the past and they are extremely helpful.
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 August 20 19:20 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry. I've been looking at these records for months. This is why I decided to reach out.

This is where it gets really cloudy. the Irish 1911 census reflects his birth in 1891.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003797689/

In the Irish 1901 census, his birth reflects 1883. His father was a Billiard Table Maker
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003797689/

His father was Billiard Table Makers up until 1937. I do know that he lived at 5 Albert Place West up until his father's death.

In 1915 He married. This is were his occupation changes to "solider".

John Kelly's death entry reflects his birth as 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04365/4132318.pdf

Bernard Kelly's death entry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1935/04815/4296916.pdf

I have tried to research his baptism records. However, that is another pandora's box.

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 August 20 20:04 BST (UK) »
Suz - someone on the Ancestry website seems to have him in their family tree - showing an Army record where he enlisted in 1902.

Same wife and father as you have. However the records are within the Fold3 collection of Ancestry and a subscription is needed. I don't have a subscription I'm afraid.

You MAY find him on the National Archives website -

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C543

but I am NO expert on searching these records for military personnel - I am hoping someone else can help you here.
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 August 20 20:28 BST (UK) »
That would be his mother, Mary Anne and his sister, Catherine.

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 20 01:15 BST (UK) »
looks like his baptism in 1885 in St.Andrew
Born 1884
No day or month.
John Joseph Kelly
Bernard Kelly
Mary A Sheehan
13 Cuffe St.
It's in the church records part of IrishGenealogy.
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