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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 August 20 06:05 BST (UK) »

Was MAGNUS a surname & clue to fathers identity ?

It could possibly be a clue.... it is the only time I have found the name MAGNUS occurring in the family. Years ago I did search the area for a young man named Magnus in the area, but came up blank.  It might be worth my time to look around again, with more records available now.

Thanks for the interest!  I appreciate everyone's input!

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 24 August 20 06:26 BST (UK) »
From https://sites.rootsweb.com/~swewgw/Fact/Dict/facdic_jur.htm#torpare
there is this:

torpare - special type of farmer*
torpardotter  - daughter of a torpare

*torpare - A farmer who farmed land owned by someone else and paid his rent in dagsverke = by working a specified number of days for the land owner.
statare -a farm labourer employed by the land owner. 
stattorpare - A statare who also farmed a torp

I think Torpardotter is what is written.  I wish I had found that site sooner;  I wouldn't have had to pester you all! 

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 August 20 06:34 BST (UK) »
My last answer disappeared while you posted
You are not pestering at all
For me its a chance to to revise

 I think it is toperensdotteren. The daughter of the crofter.

Have you come across the terms for grandparents which make it very clear who is who
Farsfar farsmor morsmor morsfar

I think you will get more interest and help if you ask moderators to transfer topic to Europe forum now you have deciphered that word
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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24 August 20 06:57 BST (UK) »

 I think it is toperensdotteren. The daughter of the crofter.

Have you come across the terms for grandparents which make it very clear who is who
Farsfar farsmor morsmor morsfar

The daughter of the crofter would make perfect sense.
I used to have copies of the yearly "inspections" made by the local clergy, who kept tabs on life events in the household, and the children's ability to read etc.  Unfortunately, I lost my computer and the back up drive in a fire, so all I have is my little scrappy notes that weren't in the same room.

These scrappy notes do have Ingeborg's father, Karl Andersson, as a crofter who also rented a bit of farm land.

I am satisfied now that it isn't the name of a reputed father, and will plug away a bit longer before heading to the European board, as I'm sure I will get stuck again.

Thanks for all your help!

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 08:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
Just to say that it does say "torparedotter".

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 08:24 BST (UK) »
Was he born in Ístersund and had a brother Anders Fredrik Andersson?


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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 08:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that, Ian!  Wishful thinking had me hoping it was a name.

And yes, that's the fellow.  He, and some of the family ended up in Canada.
If memory serves me correctly, Anders Frederick was born after Karl's mother married.

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 08:41 BST (UK) »
Hang on.... Anders Frederick is the stepfather to Karl.  *senior moment*

His stepfather, and his half brother are both Anders Fredericks.   (ugh, double senior moment!)

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 08:42 BST (UK) »
Yes, Anders was born legitimate.
I take it you are looking for Karl's father?

Ian