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Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 01:27 BST (UK) »
Karl Magnus was the illegitimate son of Ingaborg Karlsdotter.  The column for the parents names looks to be very standard at writing the father's name above the mother's name, so I am hoping the name written above Ingaborg's might be the reputed father, but I can't make out what the name might be.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 August 20 22:39 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure that it is a name unfortunately.

I think it looks different from the other father's names which appear to be two or three words with middle initials.

I had a look at Swedish birth records terminology and I found this page. (Apologies in advance if you are actually Swedish or have knowledge of Swedish and I'm ham-fistedly explaining something you already know!)

https://swedishgenealogyguide.com/archives/tag/swedish-birth-records

It says there is a word 'föräldrarne' which means 'parents'. I think it looks like the word you were looking at.

So I'm wondering if this was used in this case to suggest that Ingaborg was the only parent listed?

This is all just speculation on my part. I could be totally wrong.


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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 August 20 00:34 BST (UK) »
It looks to me as if the last bit also says dotter
Dotter means daughter

but I think there are cases of men taking on surnames which included dotter
At the same time as women adopted surnames such as Andersson

Was ingeborg the daughter of a Karl or was Karlsdotter an established surname in her family ?
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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 August 20 04:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your replies.

Stanwix, you could very possibly be right that it isn't a name. The other entries for the fathers start with occupation (usually torp, bond, army rank, etc) then the name, giving the 3 words, but in the one I am interested in, seems to be only 2 words (at least to my old eyes!)  Perhaps it is where she lived.... we might never know!

Brigidmac:  Ingeborg was the daughter of Karl Andersson; the family did follow the rules of patronymic naming.  At first I also thought the last word ended in "dotter", but wishful thinking made me start seeing it as ending (after the double t's) in "sen".

I have just looked over the page the image was taken from, trying once again to find something similar, and I notice the bottom example (fifth line) of this new clipping looks like a very similar first word?

Thanks again for the input!

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 August 20 04:57 BST (UK) »
Oooooh.   Could it just be her father's occupation... such as "crofter's daughter".

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 August 20 05:30 BST (UK) »
The first word on the first line of that second snip looks similar, though it seems to be an abbreviation with possibly a full stop.

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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 August 20 05:38 BST (UK) »
On English baptisms often for single mothers instead of occupation base born is written

But I think Sweden gave more importance to women ..do you know Karl s profession ?
the somethings dotter looks possible

Was MAGNUS a surname & clue to fathers identity ?
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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 August 20 05:49 BST (UK) »
You are right the word does end en
But that means the daughter

My rusty Norwegian is that articles fix to end if noun dotter = daughter
 dotteren = the daughter

 (l like the .".? s daughter "suggestion )

Hopefully a Scandinavian speaker will pitch in.
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Re: Swedish birth - possible father's name?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 20 06:03 BST (UK) »
Ingeborg's father, Karl Andersson, was a crofter.  I believe that is what "torp" or similar variations are on the documents.
Ingeborg married an Anders Andersson the year after he was born. 
Karl Magnus "used" the Andersson name until he entered the army, and like most people of that time, had to change their surname in the army, and he chose "Holmgren".

As Ingeborg's father was a crofter, I am leaning to the mysterious few words being some version of "torp" followed by daughter.