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"Journeyman" in Hungary 1848 Jewish census.
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 09:32 BST (UK) »
Found on-line reference to a couple with 4 children under 5 years in the household, plus a 15 year old female servant, and 3 males aged 20, 17 and 6 years who are transcribed as "journeymen".

Can I assume these "journeymen" are apprentices, and the youngest has been taken on as the oldest will be finishing his term within one year?

Also, may I assume business was fairly good, to afford this household?

Sadly it does not stipulate which trade.  :'(
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Re: "Journeyman" in Hungary 1848 Jewish census.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 August 20 09:08 BST (UK) »
are the 3 "Journeymen" related to the couple and 4 children under 5 ?
what is the family name of the couple and children - is it Fekete ?
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Re: "Journeyman" in Hungary 1848 Jewish census.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 August 20 09:23 BST (UK) »
A journeyman is usually someone who has completed an apprenticeship, but is not yet a Master in that trade.
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Re: "Journeyman" in Hungary 1848 Jewish census.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 August 20 09:33 BST (UK) »
are the 3 "Journeymen" related to the couple and 4 children under 5 

No.
The 4 children belong to the couple.
The 2 older "journeymen" are related to each other, (i.e. share a surname different to their hosts,) and the youngest one has a different surname again, as does the servant girl.

BUT, would the transcription as "journeyman" actually mean "Apprentice" in reality, given the youngest of the 3 is only 6?  (There is no image supplied on Ancestry.)
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Germany, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein, GUBLER in Switzerland, KONIG in Germany, KRONER  & PLACZEK in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.

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Re: "Journeyman" in Hungary 1848 Jewish census.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 August 20 09:35 BST (UK) »
A journeyman is usually someone who has completed an apprenticeship, but is not yet a Master in that trade.

Thankyou.
Yes, that's what I thought.... for UK at least, but clearly a 6 year old can't have completed his apprentice term, nor is it likely that the 17 year old would have done.
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Germany, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein, GUBLER in Switzerland, KONIG in Germany, KRONER  & PLACZEK in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.