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Bohemia Births early 1800s
« on: Monday 24 August 20 13:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys,

I have done a bit more digging and found Johann Lotz baptism in 1835 in Bergreichenstein, Bohemia, but as usual, I can only make out so much. Born and Baptised on same day 5 Feb 1835 and was son of Johann Lotz and Susanne Huska. The link is here    http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063642/kasperske-hory-05_2610-n?x=506&y=-11&w=463&h=189 . A translation would be appreciated. His sister, Caroline,  was born a year later on 30 Mar 1836 and may help with the details as they were still at the same address  http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063642/kasperske-hory-05_2610-n?x=506&y=-11&w=463&h=189

His father, also Johann was born  19 Apr 1778 in Wassersuppen Bezirk Taus (Bohemia), I have looked for this area in Taus / Domazlice but can not find it mentioned? Does it go under another name for the District ?

Many thanks, Dave.
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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 August 20 15:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Dave,

I'm a bit stuck for time today, but maybe this will help with the location:

Wassersuppen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemanice

Taus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doma%C5%BElice

I'll have a look at the rest when I get a mo. Unless davecapps comes along in the meantime.  ;D

Best regards,
Karen
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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Karen,

Thanks for suggestion of Nemanice. I have looked there, and found the index for births of Johann Lotz (Senior) in 1778. Here comes the problem.

Johann (Senior) married twice, 1798 and again in 1834. The second time he gave his birthdate as 17 April 1778, and his parents as Martin and Cäcilia. I can not see any place of birth. This is his 1834 marriage   http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063646/kasperske-hory-09_0080-o?x=5&y=-7&w=1023&h=419  .

Looking at the index page for his birth (I cannot find the actual entry), I am unconvinced it shows him. The 3rd and 5th entries are Lotz, but the first name is Joseph. It looks like, maybe, the first one died, but both are August not April. Also, curiously, the 4th entry has the father Martin (Oops, that is NOT father Martin, but a placename. Maybe that's what researcher had thought? )  and was born April. Here's that link   http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30066259/nemanice-01_0870-r?x=-35&y=-56&w=958&h=392 .

My thoughts are, someone researching saw this and just assumed it was him without checking further, ... and everybody has just copied it onto the Web.  Do you agree and do you have any further suggestions.

Thanks, Dave.  :)
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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
Birth Johann 1835

Bergreichenstein Nro. 152

Johannes
Baptista
Lötz

Katholisch
Männlich
Ehelich

Johann Lötz, kunstreicher Glas- und
Schleiffabrikant und Bürger allhier,
Nro 152. ehelicher Sohn des + Martin
Lötz, gewesenen Glasschneiders
in der Wassersuppen Nro Ø und sei-
ner Ehegattin Cäcilia, geborenen
Bock, von Bruck Nro Ø

Susanna, eheliche Tochter des
Johann Georg Hußka, bür-
gerl(ichen) Hafnermeisters im
Markte Kuttenplan, Nro 111,
und seiner Ehegattin Fran-
ziska, geborene Trischler
von Kuttenplan, Nro 70.

Leopold Ramml
bürgerl(icher) Schneider
Meister und
dessen Eheweib
Franziska.
-------------------------------------------------
Bergreichenstein Nro. 152

Johannes
Baptista
Lötz

catholic
male
legitimate

Father
Johann Lötz, skillfull/artistic  Glas and Glassgrinder fabricator
and citizen from here Nro 152.
legitimate son of the deceased Martin Lötz, former Glascutter
in Wassersuppen Nro Ø and his wife Cäcilia, nee Bock, from Bruck Nro Ø

Mother
Susanna, legitimate daughter of Johann Georg Hußka, citizen and Hafnermeisters
in Markte Kuttenplan, Nro 111,
and his wife Franziska, nee Trischler
from Kuttenplan, Nro 70.

Godparents
Leopold Ramml, citizen and master tailor
and his wife Franziska.

-------------------------------
Hafnermeister

https://www.google.de/search?q=hafnermeister+beruf&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf6brNmLbrAhVMKuwKHchMB38Q1QIoAXoECAsQAg&biw=1366&bih=654

Ovenmaker or Potter who made oven tiles

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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 16:09 BST (UK) »
Birth Caroline 1836

Bergreichenstein Nro. 152

Caroline
Lötz

katholisch
weiblich
ehelich

Johann Lötz, kunstreicher Glas- und Schleiffa
brikant allhier, N. 152. ein ehelicher Sohn des
Martin Lötz, Glasschneiders in Schneegat
tern im Innviertl und seines Eheweibes Cä
cilia, geborenen Bock aus Bayern und zwar
aus Bruck

Susanna, eine eheliche Tochter
des Johann Georg Hußka, bürg(erlichen)
Haffnermeisters in Kuttenblan,
N. 111, und seines Eheweibes
Franziska, geborene Trischler
aus Kuttenplan, N. 70.

Leopold Ramml
Schneidermeister
Und sein Eheweib Franziska.
-------------------------------------------------
Bergreichenstein Nro. 152

Caroline
Lötz

catholic
female
legitimate

Father
Johann Lötz, skillfull/artistic Glas and Glassgrinder fabricator
and citizen from here Nro 152.
legitimate son of Martin Lötz, Glascutter in Schneegattern in Innviertel
and his wife Cäcilia, nee Bock, from Bayern, now from Bruck

Mother
Susanna, legitimate daughter of Johann Georg Hußka, citizen and Hafnermeisters
in Kuttenblan, N. 111, and his wife Franziska, nee Trischler
from Kuttenplan, N. 70.

Godparents
Leopold Ramml, master tailor
and his wife Franziska.
---------------------------------------

Schneegattern in Innviertel

https://www.google.de/maps/place/5212+Schneegattern,+%C3%96sterreich/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x477421f442270d4b:0x81a9b454aeb744a1?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEjJXUzbbrAhXE2KQKHTAsDSYQ8gEwAHoECB8QAQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innviertel


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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 18:04 BST (UK) »
Marriage 1798

Bergreichenstein Nro. 152

Johann Lötz, Glas-
schneider und Glas-
schleifer

katholisch
20 Jahre alt
unverheiratet

Theresia Mischelin
eheliche Tochter des wohl
Edel gebohrnen He(rr) Anton
Mischelin de Frey, Bürger
und hierstadtischen Contra-
ctors

katholisch
24 Jahre alt
unverheiratet

„ Richtig befunden 17 Sept 1798“
-------------------------------------------------
Johann Lötz, Glascutter and Glasgrinder/Polisher

catholic
20 years old
single

Theresia Mischelin
legitimate daughter of the nobel born Herr Anton
Mischelin de Frey, citizen and local town contractor

catholic
24 years old
single

written below „ found correct 17 Sept 1798“

I don´t know what a town contractor was, anything is possible

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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 August 20 21:40 BST (UK) »
Hi DC,

Thanks for those transcripts and translations. Will see if I can find anything on some of those names and places...

Dave
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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 August 20 10:47 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

I have looked around and still cannot find any reference yet as to Johann Lotz’s birthplace. I have looked closely at his 1834 marriage details, and as far as I can make out, I cannot see any reference to Wassersuppen, which is where everyone says he was born. This is that marriage  http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063647/kasperske-hory-10_1040-o?x=68&y=115&w=468&h=191 . Does this have any clues?

Thanks, Dave.

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McCutcheon, Maclachlin(Ayrshire)

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Re: Bohemia Births early 1800s
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 August 20 11:17 BST (UK) »
No hints
It only says his father was Resident in Wassersuppen
Dave