Llandwrog, Bryntrallwyn, Jones

[wallbanger]

The parish of Llandwrog is very big, and is split into Lower Llandwrog and Upper Llandwrog. I have studied a few maps both old and new, and we took a quick trip out that way yesterday to get an idea of the particular locality that is mentioned on the birth certificate, Bryntrallwyn, which is between Carmel and Cilgwyn.

When I say there isn’t any parish records I meant for the particular family I’m looking for. I’m sorry, I thought that would be obvious. Perhaps I just haven’t found them all yet. Apologies for rambling. Yes, I have found some records, but not all family members are there.

[Gadget]

Is this any good.  It's very faint:

Marriage - Dec 8th 1838  Llandwrog

David Jones,  full age, bach., tailor, father - Francis Lloyd, shoemaker

Jane Williams, full age,  spin, father - William Jones, labourer

[Gadget]

David's residence looks like Llanrug. Jane's Llandwrog.

Add- Witnesses - Robert Lloyd and Hugh Williams.

 Jane made her mark. Others signed.

Could there be two David and Jane marrying at roughly the same time?

[Tall Al]

Hi,

I  have a Gwynedd family History Booklet for the memorial inscriptions form St Thomas Church, Llandwrog and it makes several mentions of Bryntrallwyn and Bryntirrion. The first burial was in 1855

I am uncertain exactly what you are looking for but if you let me know precisely what you are looking at I will check the booklet.

As examples there are 2 entries -
A David Lloyd (died 1884 age 72) and Catherine Lloyd (died 1900 age 77) of Bryn Tirion, Mynydd, Cilgwyn,

And a John Williams (died 1887 age 44) and Jane Williams (died 1925 age 85) of Bryntirion, Carmel.

Alan

Alan

[Gadget]

I've just checked the online burials, Alan, but nothing more in there than what you found in your booklet.

However~

David Lloyd (master tailor, b Llanbedr) )  and Catherine are at 2, Bryn Tirion, Llandwrog on the1881

RG11/5564/28/12

So it looks as if David Jones may have reverted to his father's surname later in life.


Gadget

[Gadget]

If the info on the 1871 census for David Jones  with that of the 1881 for David Lloyd, they are more or less the same.

RG10/5714/7/6  and RG11/5564/28/12

So why did he change his name to his father's - ?? was there a Will

Also - is this David Jones aka Lloyd Jane's father? It certainly looks like the same one to me.

[Tall Al]

Hi,

When I saw the entries in the booklet for David/Catherine Lloyd it did make me wonder if they had reverted to the family surname later in life.

Grave D019 David died 25 May 1884 and Catherine 6 Feb 1900.

Alan

 

[Gadget]

I can't find a death for a Francis Lloyd so far. The 1838 marriage cert didn't say deceased.

It's also worth looking for a birth for Jane Williams. With her father named as William Jones, it looks as if they might have still be using the semi-patronymic. It was a bit late but that part of Wales moved to surnames later and also, as I've found with my Merionethshire ancestors, it depended on the vicar/parish clerk as to which form they used.

Gadget

[Tall Al]

Hi,

There is an entry for Bryntrallwyn, Uchaf, Llandwrog which could be of interest -

Grave A053 - William W Hughes (died 2 May 1882 age 78) and Jane Hughes died 18 March 1877 age 70). Maybe Jane's parents?

In the next grave A054 of the same address, a Margaret Owen died 2 July 18771 age 86.

Alan