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Re: Non gro recorded deaths.
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 August 20 14:37 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to all who have responded to my post, the link below is what prompted my query.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836518.msg7017991#msg7017991

The great storm of 1871 was the afternoon/evening of the 10th February 1871.

The burial register for Bridlington (from 13.2.1871-2.4.1871 (census night) details 16 named individuals who appear to be either sailors/masters and life boatmen who lost their lives.

Of these 16 only 5 have their ages recorded.
Of these 16 only 6 appear on the GRO index
Of these 16 only 1 has his age added to GRO index
Of these 16 2 have an age recorded but no GRO ref
Unknown sailors (washed ashore) & buried between these dates was 24



Taking William Lash as the example he is one of the 16 named (& one of the 10 with no age), he was seemingly known in the area/ or had identification for his name to be known. His entry also records what vessel he was on/from & his abode in Sunderland which ties in with his wife who on the census night was recorded as "widow".

Hence my query, your name is known, where you died, how you died, where you are buried, but no GRO ref.

John

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Re: Non gro recorded deaths.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 August 20 14:47 BST (UK) »
You don't really know where they died - except maybe "at sea"?
And maybe the burial register shows memorials, rather than graves?
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Re: Non gro recorded deaths.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:39 BST (UK) »
Hi john

TNA says this:  From 1854 records of births, marriages and deaths at sea had, first, to be recorded in ships’ logs. When the ships next docked at a British port the information from the logs was then recorded by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). Copies of the RGSS registers were periodically sent to the General Register Office.  https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/

It also kinda sounds like where your death was recorded depended if it was a Royal Navy vessel, Merchant Navy vessel, or even where the ship was registered. TNA also says:  The indexes do not cover all overseas births, marriages and deaths – some records are lost, others never make it to the General Register Office for other reasons

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Re: Non gro recorded deaths.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 27 August 20 18:32 BST (UK) »
You don't really know where they died - except maybe "at sea"?
And maybe the burial register shows memorials, rather than graves?

The burial register shows 23 burials on 14th Feb, all having drowned. Twelve are named and eleven are recorded under one entry as unnamed sailors.

Of the twelve named, one, James Watson, is recorded as being 'drowned by the upsetting of the life boat'. The others named are recorded as being 'drowned in Bridlington Bay, in the wreck of <vessel name>'.

Various newspaper reports indicate that these 23 burials do correspond to burials of bodies rather than some form of memorial.

Hull Packet
17 Feb 1871
Funeral of Twenty-Three Bodies At Bridlington
On Monday and Tuesday five more bodies of those who lost their lives during the storm on Friday and Saturday were picked up, two being of those of James Watson and Richard Atkin, two Bridlington Quay men, and the other three strangers. On Tuesday these were buried, and the funeral is supposed to have been attended by fully 3,000 persons.
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Leeds Times
18 Feb 1871
Destructive Storm
On The North-East Cosat
A Life Boat Wrecked
Great Loss of Life
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At Bridlington a public meeting was held on Tues, with the object of adopting means for the relief of the suffers by the disasters at sea. - Mr George Richardson, chief lord of the manor, who presided, referred to the funeral scene of the twenty-three men on that day, and then adverted to the excellent conduct of the boatmen.
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Bridlington Free Press
18 Feb 1871
The Terrific Storm Of Friday
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The Internment
Never have the inhabitants of Burlington witnessed so mournful a scene as that presented on Tuesday, when the bodies of twenty-three of those drowned during the storm on Friday, were buried in the Church yard at St Mary's, in a part of the yard recently added at the expense of an old sailor, Capt. R N Beauvais, for the purpose of burying strangers of his craft who might die or be washed on shore here. For several hours before and during the time of the burial the whole of the shops at Bridlington Quay, and all principal shops at Bridlington, were closed. About two o'clock the funeral procession left the Albion Hotel, Hilderthorpe, where the bodies had all been conveyed, except those whose friends lived in the Town.
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Re: Non gro recorded deaths.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 August 20 14:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks to those who read and replied to this post. Have printed off and placed in folder. Post can be closed I think,

John