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Williams family in tonyrefail
« on: Thursday 27 August 20 10:01 BST (UK) »
Hi. I’ve finally received the marriage certificate for my great grandparents. Williams Henry Williams and Nellie James. It tells me that his father is called David Williams. All from the district of Pontypridd. I’m looking for the 1901 Census record to try and find out what the mother was called. Williams Henry Williams was born in 1896 Pontypridd. Will try and post a photo of the certificate. Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 August 20 10:53 BST (UK) »
There were 4 WH Williams born Pontypridd in 1896.
Mmn. Jones, Davies, James & Owens.
Not much help is it.
What was father's occupation?
This one so far:
Pontypridd 1901:
RG13; Piece: 5010; Folio: 115; Page: 51
David Williams 40
Mary Williams 40
Annie Williams 12
John C Williams   9
Esther Williams   7
William Williams   6
Thomas Williams 4
Authur Williams 2

David is a coal hewer.
Looking at the birth of one of the children Esther b. 1894 there are
5 born 1893-5 Pontypridd but none with above mmn's.
So may not be the right family.
According to the 1911 they had been married 26 years.
RG14; Piece: 32316; Schedule Number: 149
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 August 20 12:31 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately I can’t seem to share the marriage certificate in here. William Henry Williams was born on 2nd July 1896.

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 August 20 12:43 BST (UK) »
What was father's occupation?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 August 20 13:18 BST (UK) »
Coeliery surface worker according to the marriage certificate.

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 August 20 13:30 BST (UK) »
Same as the David above but that's not enough as this applied to many.
Are there any clues in the witnesses names.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 August 20 16:09 BST (UK) »
OK David Williams married Mary Howell 1886 Pontypridd.
Ref. Jun 1886  Pontypridd 11a/553.
These are the 9 children she says she had in 1911.
1887/William John
1888/Violet Hope
1889/Annie
1890/Vernon Stanley
1893/Esther
1895/William
1896/Thomas
1898/Arthur
1901/Mary Emma
1911 shows Maggie Williams dau. b. 1896 but I can't see a birth registered for her.
The mother says she had 9 & 1 died but this one makes 10.
1911:
Annie Williams   22
John Williams   19
Esther Williams   17
William Williams   16
Thomas Williams14
Arthur Williams   12
Emma Williams   9
Maggie Williams   5
No Vernon or Violet but there is a Violet Williams marrying in 1910 Pontypridd.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 August 20 16:32 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jim1 on Thursday 27 August 20 13:30 BST (UK)
Same as the David above but that's not enough as this applied to many.
Are there any clues in the witnesses names.

Unfortunately not- they are both for the other side James!

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Re: Williams family in tonyrefail
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 August 20 16:33 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jim1 on Thursday 27 August 20 16:09 BST (UK)
OK David Williams married Mary Howell 1896 Pontypridd.
Ref. Jun 1886  Pontypridd 11a/553.
These are the 9 children she says she had in 1911.
1887/William John
1888/Violet Hope
1889/Annie
1890/Vernon Stanley
1893/Esther
1895/William
1896/Thomas
1898/Arthur
1901/Mary Emma
1911 shows Maggie Williams dau. b. 1896 but I can't see a birth registered for her.
The mother says she had 9 & 1 died but this one makes 10.
1911:
Annie Williams   22
John Williams   19
Esther Williams   17
William Williams   16
Thomas Williams14
Arthur Williams   12
Emma Williams   9
Maggie Williams   5

This is amazing thank you 😊
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