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I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« on: Thursday 27 August 20 11:07 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the length of this but I didn't want to leave out what I knew.

He was born 8 October 1845 and baptised at Ettingshall, Staffordshire  2 Nov 1845
Of Finney Well (Bilston)

1851 , Finney Well, Bilston

William LONDON head Mar 45 Stone Sawyer   b Birmingham, Warwickshire
Bella  35   b Darlaston, Staffs
William son 16  b Darlaston
George son  10 b Bilston, Staffs
Elizabeth dau 8  b Bilston
Benjamin  son 5, b Bilston
John son 3, b Bilston


1861, Finney Well, Bilston

Samuel BARRETT 45 Collier b Wolverhampton, Staffs
Isabella ‘do’ wife 48  b Darlaston
George L. ‘do’ son 20  Coal Labourer b Bilston
Benjamin L  ‘do’ 16   Iron Forgeman  b Bilston
John L ‘do’ ‘do’ 13 Labourer b Bilston
Isabella L ‘do’ 8  Labourer b Bilston
Samuel BARRATT son 7 b Bilston
Sarah ‘do’ dau 4 b Bilston


In 1863, Benjamin LONDON an under puddler was bruised in a boiler explosion

11 Sep 1865 he married at St Stephens, Willenhall

Benjamin LONDON  20 Bachelor, Puddler, Willenhall father = William a miner (think he has said this because Samuel Barre/att was a miner)
Ellen ROBERTS 18  Willenhall, father=  Edward a miner

Witnesses William PERKIN & Ellen EVANS

William is a regular church witness
Ellen EVANS, Ellen ROBERTS and Benjamin LONDON all signed with their MARK



Then there is this Benjamin.  I don’t think he can be the same one.
Occupation is out, and there is conflicting information regarding his age at death neither of which  is correct for a 1845 birth. in 1866 our one would have been about 21.


Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser 11 July 1866

Upper Gornall
Shocking and fatal Accident. - on Monday evening at the Horse Shoe Inn, Mr W. H. Phillips, deputy coroner, held an inquest on the body of Benjamin London, a brewer, age 36. From evidence it appeard that he died from injuries received through falling into some wort, where he was brewing at Dudley Wood.



LONDON, BENJAMIN 26
GRO Reference 1866, S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C page 38


there is this birth. I cannot find a baptism. If he is Benjamin's son that is another reason the July 1866 death cannot be him.

David LUNDON, 1867 D qtr in Wolverhampton, Vol 06B page 529 MMN ROBERTS

He seems to be with his grandparents in 1871 at Wolverhampton Street, Bilston

Edward ROBERTS head mar 53  Miner, coal. N Wales Chirk(?)
Ann ‘do’ wife marr 46 N. Wales Oswestry    ( Scrawled in the margin is Denbigh)
David ROBERTS son 19 unm Moulder Journeyman.   b Bilston, Staffs as are the rest
William  ‘do’ 16 miner Coal
Richard ‘do’ 14 miner Coal
Edward J ‘do’ 5
John ‘do’ 2
Sarah A ‘do’  it could say Mar or unmar. But I think the former. 23  Visitors
Ellen LONDON Dau 11
David  ‘do’ Grandson 3



the age of Ellen is quite clear on the census but I am confident her details have been swapped for Sarah A’s.
It definitely does not say Wid next to either of their names


1881

Ellen has a new ‘husband’

at 1 Hornby Street, Pendleton, Salford are

Thomas ROBERTS head, 38 Coal miner b North wales ……..
Ellen ‘do’ 38 Bilston Staffs
Willem E ‘do’ son 7 b Bilston
Robert ‘do’ 5 b Lancashire …….
John J ‘do’ son 2 b Lancashire …….
David LONDON Wife’s son 13 Miners …….   b Bilston
Edward ROBERTS Wife’s father 62 Coal Miner  b Chirk
Edward ROBERTS Wife’s father’s son 15 Coal miner b Bilston
John Thomas ROBERTS Wife’s fathers’ son 12 b Bilston

Ellen and the family can be followed through to her probable death in 1917
From the 1881 census she must have been with Thomas ROBERTS from 1873 ish, and in 1911 they say they have been married 28 years.

But I can see no marriage.

So - can anyone see where Benjamin went?




Side tracked to a friend’s very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 August 20 12:13 BST (UK) »
A bit more from FreeReg
Burial, Upper Gornal, 10 July 1866
Benjamin London, age 26
abode Union House Upper Gornal

Baptism, 25 Dec 1867, Bilston High Street Primitive Methodist
David
parents Benjamin + Ellen London
abode Wolverhampton Street
father a Puddler

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Re: I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 August 20 12:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you,
That definitely removes any doubt that the brewer was him then .
Side tracked to a friend’s very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 August 20 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hi It could be he deserted Ellen and went abroad but Union House Upper Gornal is actually the workhouse so I wonder if they separated and it is actually the same guy and the person registering the death was unsure of his age

The baptism of David lists Benjamin as the father but was he actually present? you might need to see if you can see the actual register to see if it says anything because the only Benjamin London (and variations) around the same age was born and lived in Devon

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Re: I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 August 20 14:36 BST (UK) »
There is another Benjamin nearby to Upper Gornal in the 1851 census.
At the Two Gates Inn, Cradley
Benjn London Grand Son 11 Chain Maker, born London!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCF-DLD

Above him is another 11 year old grandson Benjn Edmonds.
Head is Leah Edmonds, Licenced Victualler

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Re: I have lost Benjamin LONDON
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 August 20 21:13 BST (UK) »
The Abode of the Union House for that 1866 burial is because he was taken to the Doctor there in the April when the accident happened (it’s in another newspaper report) it took him two months to die. It must have been awful, poor man.

Looks like that baptism is something to be looked at on a visit to a Family History centre.

Thank you Jon for finding that other Benjamin.
Side tracked to a friend’s very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)