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Re: Understanding term written in Transportation case
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 August 20 12:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for these interesting pieces of knowledge.

With regard to a pardon, if it was this it came 4 years after conviction and such I wonder whether the term 'pardon' was not an expungement of conviction but maybe just commuted the  transportation having served a few years already. 

And Josey thank you, in 1851 he had no children living with him but I'll check all births against mother's maiden name to ensure.
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Re: Understanding term written in Transportation case
« Reply #10 on: Friday 28 August 20 00:36 BST (UK) »
Yes, at least in that era, in the colonies, a Pardon could basically be issued to remit the remainder of the sentence.

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Re: Understanding term written in Transportation case
« Reply #11 on: Friday 28 August 20 00:52 BST (UK) »
Well he was sentenced in 1839 and received 7 years , He doesn't appear on 1841 census

In 1841 he is where you would expect to find him - on the Leviathan Hulk.

HO107/ 415 Book: 6/7 p 11 Portsea Leviathan Convict Hulk

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« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 August 20 01:16 BST (UK) »
Well found Debra  :D

Here's a thread re transporting convicts to Bermuda

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767579.0

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Re: Understanding term written in Transportation case
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 August 20 09:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for all your help.
Thanks Debra for finding that. He hadn't appeared in any searches and todays job was the old fashioned manual way, so thanks for saving that one!!

As an interesting aside if anyone is interested. It seems that Jesse did not get transported then despite his sentence. His four years or more absence however caused the expected hardship on his family.  One of his sons Herbert, turned to dishonesty burglary and thieving and did manage to get transported in 1850. Almost as if there was some preordained necessity for the genes to make their way to Australia....

Thanks for your help everyone.

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 August 20 10:24 BST (UK) »
if Jesse's entry was 'Pardoned' I wonder where I can corroborate that.

Jesse Johnson, tried at Marlborough in October 1839, was granted a Free Pardon, along with several others held on the hulk Leviathan, on 18 June 1843 (Correspondence and Warrants, National Archives, HO 13/83, p. 18).

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 28 August 20 11:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bookbox thats great.  I'm not currently on FindMyPast (I was on both but had to cut down at lockdown) where these records are accessible so may have to get a visit to Kew in soon or get a month of FindMyPast.
THats great to know though and really does confirm and finish the story, thank you.

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 28 August 20 12:40 BST (UK) »
so may have to get a visit to Kew in soon or get a month of FindMyPast.

FYI, National Archives records that have been digitised by a commercial partner are not normally accessible at Kew as original documents, but only in their digitised format. Normally these images are free to access on the computer terminals, but there is currently no computer access for readers at Kew, because of Covid-19 restrictions.

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Re: Understanding term written in Transportation case
« Reply #17 on: Friday 28 August 20 12:56 BST (UK) »
Class: HO107; Piece: 415; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Portsea Town; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: Portsea Town Leviathan Convict Hulk; Folio: 7; Page: 11; Line: 11; GSU roll: 288812
I did look here - maybe looking in wrong place - the Jas Johnson ag lab is aged 20?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON