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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:08 BST (UK) »
Seeing that there were only 2 Johanna Mckays births registered in Rosshire between 1881 & 1882 I  agree that the one registered in Lochs is most likely the correct one.
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:13 BST (UK) »
There is a Johanna McKay in 1891 Living at Achmore, Lochs with a John McKay, Crofter and his wife Catherine and children including Johanna. Johanna's age is given as 7 making her born in 1884. It dosen't state if any of the children are John and Catherine (perhaps they are grandparents?)

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:20 BST (UK) »
I was just about to post my findings of the 1891 census, It differs from yours though,Terry. At Auchmore, living with her grandparents, John & Mary Mckay is a Johanna Mcleod aged 9. Also there is her possible mother, Peggy McKay aged 30
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:20 BST (UK) »
There are 2 births for Johanna McKay in Lochs, one in 1883 and one in 1884 maybe one of these two??

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g grandfather Thomas Borthwick 11/11/1882 - KIA 25/9/1915 aged 33 Kings Own Scottish Borderers

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Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:21 BST (UK) »
I was just about to post my findings of the 1891 census, It differs from yours though,Terry. At Auchmore, living with her grandparents, John & Mary Mckay is a Johanna Mcleod aged 9. Also there is her possible mother, Peggy McKay aged 30
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Most likely it will be the one you found  :)  The McLeod is a bit strange though?

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Robert Johnstone Borthwick 1898 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 21 North Staffordshire Regiment

George Lowden Borthwick 1899 - KIA 24/3/1918 aged 19 Royal Scots Fusiliers

gr Uncle Walter Combe b1893 - KIA 12/7/1915 aged 22  Kings Own Scottish Borderers

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 August 20 15:54 BST (UK) »
Not strange at all Terry. If the father of an illegitimate child was not present at the registration then his surname couldn't be used. Many illegitimate children were brought up using either of their parents surnames (or any other surname). Peggy Mckay appears in the censuses going backwards at home with her parents. She also had another daughter,( I assume), Mary, age 3 in 1881. She could be a niece though! Peggy also had a brother, Donald & a sister, Isabella.
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 27 August 20 16:12 BST (UK) »
It appears that Johanna named her grandparents as her parents on the marriage certificate. Her grannys' maiden name was MacIver (as noted on the birth of Peggy on 18th July 1856).
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 27 August 20 16:41 BST (UK) »
Well done flat.
I would say that is the correct Johanna.
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 27 August 20 23:46 BST (UK) »
Wow everybody - While I have been having a good sleep here in Oz, you all have found some very interesting stuff.... like the possibility that Johanna  used her grandparents names as parents ... Will have to take it all in, and try to make total sense of it ????  Sometimes so hard, but that is the joy of eventually sorting out the mystery!  With multiple help from Rootschatters again!
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