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Re: "Clepanton"? in the parish of Forfar. THOM
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 September 20 19:19 BST (UK) »
I've found on Roy's map  a Chipington which looked to be north of Forfar Loch. This seems a more likely candidate for the place in the OPR record.
Much more likely - I agree that the one two parishes away in Kingoldrum is unlikely.

This is also pretty much where Turfbeg is.

Agreed. I thought the Lintrathen/Kingoldrum one was a bit strange to appear in an OPR for Forfar.

I checked Scotland's Places and found Turfbeg here https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/forfarshire-angus-os-name-books-1857-1861/forfar-angus-volume-44/5
Above Turfbeg is a farm named "Campbelton". I wonder if this was another alternate name for Chipington or Clepanton. It seems possible.
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Re: "Clepanton"? in the parish of Forfar. THOM
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:41 BST (UK) »
Having made it home to a 'pooter with a decent sized screen, I wonder if perhaps the place shown as Turfbeg on Ainslie's map (1794) and subsequent maps is in fact Clepanton/Chipington with a change of name?

I wonder if there might be something in the Carsegray Estate papers, if they have survived?
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: "Clepanton"? in the parish of Forfar. THOM
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:59 BST (UK) »
Having made it home to a 'pooter with a decent sized screen, I wonder if perhaps the place shown as Turfbeg on Ainslie's map (1794) and subsequent maps is in fact Clepanton/Chipington with a change of name?

I wonder if there might be something in the Carsegray Estate papers, if they have survived?

Excellent point and entirely possible! It would also explain the lack of results for a Clepanton/Chipington from googling and searching the BNA, Scotland's Places and others.

Quite a nice estate plan here on Scotland's Places. Dated 1815 "Plan Of The Estate Of Carse Gray, Angus"

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/record/nrs/RHP505/plan-estate-carse-gray-angus/nrs

Turfbeg is named here, with Campleton above it. Whether or not Campleton is Clepanton etc or not I'm not sure at this stage.

The comments on the Scotland's Places link in my earlier reply is interesting;

" It is traditionally handed down that the peats or turf "were stacked or bigged here that were used in the palace".

So if Clepanton is indeed an older name for Turfbeg then it changed sometime between 1747 (Roy's map date) and 1815 (date of the estate plan).

I did wonder if there was a connection to confiscated estates triggering a name change to Turfbeg. The first mention of Turfbeg I could find in the BNA is in 1849. Arbroath Guide. There is mention that the name dervies from it providing peat for the King's manor, which suggests it's much older than 1815, but it may have had other names and changed back.




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Re: "Clepanton"? in the parish of Forfar. THOM
« Reply #12 on: Friday 04 September 20 10:17 BST (UK) »
It's shown as Turfbig on Ainslie's map dated 1794. https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400191 and zoom in.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith