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Offline JosiahS

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The Elusive Berry Family
« on: Sunday 30 August 20 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hello there

I am trying to trace the ancestry of a Sarah Berry.  She was born in 1841 seemingly and married a Joseph Fluin at Camden St Peter Regent's Square in 1862. An image of the marriage entry is attached
I'm not sure what she is saying her father's trade is so comments are welcome.

I am assuming she is the Sarah Berry born in the St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury registration district to Thomas Berry and his wife Sophia (Hodges) who had married in 1830 at St Pancras Old Church.  There was also an Elizabeth born in the same district as Sarah in 1844, and a Thomas baptised at St Pancras OC on 3 Feb 1849 (but I cannot find a registration for him)

Thomas and Sophia only appear as far as I can see in the 1871 census living in Albert Terrace Camden with both Thomases acting as general dealers. In that census it would appear that both Thomas and Sophia were about 18 when they married.  At the time of Thomas's baptism they were in Cambridge Crescent (but they are not there in the 1851 census) and Thomas senior was a greengrocer

There does also appear to be a Sophia Berry born about 1831 who married in Shoreditch in 1852 stating that her father was Thomas Berry, General dealer, but there may well be other children between her and the beginning of registrations in 1837.

Overall I can find one baptism for the son, Thomas, and one appearance in the censuses.  Can anyone find anything else about them please?

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DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 30 August 20 18:30 BST (UK) »
Her father's trade was a nurseryman.

Richard
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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 30 August 20 18:31 BST (UK) »
If that is the case then I may have the wrong family entirely....
DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 August 20 18:46 BST (UK) »
Oh dear! Do you want to let us know what you know for sure about Sarah?
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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 30 August 20 19:01 BST (UK) »
Only what is on the marriage certificate which indicates that she was a minor when she married. 

As you can imagine a surname like Fluin/Flewin/Flewen etc  is a tricky one to pursue.  I found them in 1871 under the name Lewin - on that Sarah was 27 and born in Islington.  Sarah appears again in 1891 as a flower seller living in Charles Street, Lower Holloway and she gives her age as 44.  She died in Islington in 1920 with a calculated year of birth of 1846.

Not much to go on and I can't locate her/them in 1881, 1901 or 1911...
DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 August 20 20:02 BST (UK) »
Her father's trade was a nurseryman.

Richard

I'd agree, but don;t see that as too far away from a greengrocer - growing plants and then fruit/veg for sale

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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 August 20 20:08 BST (UK) »
1861 - as per Ancestry transcription. 10 Cambridge St

Thos Benny    50 - gardener b Westminster
Sophia Benny    48 - b Westminster
Sarah Benny    17 - servant b St Pancras
Thos Benny    12 - scholar b St Pancras

RG 9; 117; 55; 38;

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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 August 20 22:05 BST (UK) »
I think they should be somewhere in Islington district in 1881, given they are registering children there up to 1880

1901 1891- Charles St, Islington. All born there

Sarah Flinn    44 - flower seller, widow
Robert Flinn    20 - costermonger
Elizabeth Flinn    16 - flower seller
James Flinn    11
Hannie [Harry] Flinn    8

RG12; 161; 147; 44;

These match registrations of Fluin/Flewin with mother's maiden name Berry


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Re: The Elusive Berry Family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 August 20 22:10 BST (UK) »
This looks like Sarah and James in 1911 - no sure why she is listed as Jane

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLR-XTJ

His occupation matches that of James Fluin son of the late Joseph who marries in 1905